<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I suspect that if we were to look at what philosophers say about it, they would tell us that they really did not know for sure what the word 'know' means. Only the toad knows (Alice in Wonderland).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">We may never know how the unconscious works. It is not meant (whatever that word means) to be conscious. Duh.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">"It's as if they are doing this when they think." This will be as close as we can get. A model. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">So it may be that studying people's minds so that we can program computers to copy the way they work is not the best strategy to advance computer thinking.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I suspect the Singularity is pretty far off.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Dave Sill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 5:30 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="m_-1248506918043351340gmail-"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="m_-1248506918043351340gmail-"><div> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dylan Distasio </span><span dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><<a href="mailto:interzone@gmail.com" target="_blank">interzone@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><wbr> wrote:</span> </div></span></div></div></div></blockquote></span><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="m_-1248506918043351340gmail-"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div> Deep learning neural nets appear to bear little resemblance to how biological nervous systems actually work.</div><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">As far as Chess</div> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Go and Shogi are concerned it works far better than </div>biological nervous systems<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">.</div> </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Yes, in simple, well-defined domains. Computers are incredibly fast at math but that doesn't mean they're math geniuses. I can't do billions of floating point operations per second, but I can explain to a child in terms it will understand what "addition" means. A CPU has no understanding of what it does. Likewise, AlphaGO has no understanding of the games it plays. It can't explain its strategy--it has none, it just "knows" what usually works--and that's excessively anthropomorphic, it knows nothing: it just does what it was programmed to do.</div><div><br></div><div>It a clever and useful technique but it's a far cry from a general intelligence that can interact directly with the world where the rules aren't all known, and communicate with other intelligent entities, evaluate novel situations, and solve complex problems.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Dave</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div></div></div>
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