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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 07, 2017 7:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] alpha zero<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 9:10 PM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>DeepMind, the same outfit which made the learning Go program is now claiming they did the same trick with chess. I don’t know if I believe it (rather I vaguely do not believe it) but it is being reported on a very reliable chess site:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msonormal><a href="https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-future-is-here-alphazero-learns-chess" target="_blank">https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-future-is-here-alphazero-learns-chess</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msonormal>They are claiming that it learned from only the rules of chess in 24 hours. I just don’t see how it could have mastered the collective human experience over more than 500 years in 24 hours.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-msonormal>If Deep Mind really did this, it’s the most impressive computer learning feat I have ever seen.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>>…You're right Spike </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>it's</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> simply amazing! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I still haven’t convinced myself it is true. I think highly of the source that reported it, but they can be fooled. They played Stockfish, which is a very highly respected program with a lotta lotta programmed-in chess wisdom. To figure out all that in a day requires some powerful inference activity. John I am putting myself in the camp of hope it’s true, but estimate 70% chance it isn’t. I don’t know how the hell they did this if true.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>…</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> And if you ever hear that it's starting to treat optimizing computer code as a game then you may be hearing the opening notes of the Singularity. This is big…John K Clark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sure and is there any reason why we shouldn’t treat code optimization as a game? It is a clearly-definable goal: we can set the task to give a known outcome, give it a time to beat and a memory allocation to beat, may the best machine win. It’s one of those new sports I have been yakking about for years, a great example of geek Olympics. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I want robot gymnastics too. Whooda thunk that would just appear like it has?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2017/11/17/atlas-boston-dynamics-robot-backflip-cnntech.cnnmoney">http://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2017/11/17/atlas-boston-dynamics-robot-backflip-cnntech.cnnmoney</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We could have a code-athlon, where the game is to write the best and most efficient code, then let computers play against each other and against humans.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>