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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Sill<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] alpha zero<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 10:22 AM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><br>>>>...assuming they didn't do something to StockFish to artificially weaken it. I don't have StockFish, so I can't determine that question myself.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>…Why not? It's free. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have intentionally eschewed it Dave. Chess is such a cool game, it can devour one’s life. I might download it to analyze these games however, unless someone beats me to it on game 5.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmail-im>>>…I can't shake the suspicion that something is amiss. Evidence to follow.</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I should not have used the term “evidence” but rather “indication.” Evidence proves something, in sufficient quantities. Indications suggest something, in sufficient quantities. Read on please.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>…This is from the Stockfish Wikipedia entry, emphasis mine: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> >…<i>Stockfish versus AlphaZero[edit]</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i>>… In a series of twelve 100-game matches against Stockfish starting from popular openings, Alphazero won 290, drew 886 and lost 24.[citation needed]<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p><p class=MsoNormal>That would indicate an Elo rating for Alpha of about 3565, waaaay the heck above this year’s TCEC champion Houdini 6.03 with its paltry 3412.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i>>… <b>The results of the tournaments do not indicate that Alpha-Go is a superior chess engine - the Alpha-Go algorithm was allocated more computing power for the games.</b>[27] Google said they are not commenting on the research until it is published in a journal.[29] The research also has not yet been peer reviewed.[29]</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-Dave<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dave, do you play? What did you think of f5 in this position? It still loses I think (everything does here) but loses slower than that awful Kh8. Kh8 looks like something one would find in a basket of deplorables. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Do you have StockFish loaded and ready to run? Anyone else?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=402 height=406 style='width:4.1875in;height:4.2291in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3700B.403E9230"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If you can find a way to get StockFish to offer Kh8 here instead of f5, we might be the first ones to indicate all is not what we are being told.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>