<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="gmail-m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Now we face the question: do we allow government officials to communicate with the option of turning off the monitoring process? In this case, it means their workings are not archived. Who gets that? What if the party in power gets that privilege but the opposing party does not? Is that not a chain reaction leading to a complete totalitarian grip on power?<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p><span class="gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px"><font color="#888888"><p class="gmail-m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">spike</p><p class="gmail-m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>In a democracy/republic, the monitors of gov. are the people. So, yes they have shut the people out by going against their wishes. Poll after poll shows that the gov. keeps doing things the polls show people are against - even in their own party. As a result they get very low ratings, about which they seem to care not at all. They are looking up to their money bags and not down to the common people. Poll after poll shows that the majority think like the Demos, but they don't seem to be getting elected. As long as we have elections we have a chance of avoiding getting much worse. What does it take to get the people out to vote? I wish I knew that one.</b></p><p class="gmail-m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">bill w</p></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:49 AM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-2824436996286159125WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@<wbr>lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><br><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=""><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>><span style="color:black">The FBI has a list too. They are not allowed to use “grossly neg<b>ligence". spike\</b></span><b><u></u><u></u></b></span></p></span><span class=""><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal">The wording of the citation was modified. I wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> </span>The FBI has a list too. They are not allowed to use “grossly negligent.”<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></span><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal">Under some circumstances, the similar-sounding terms “grossly negligent” and “extremely careless” take on not just different meanings, they take on functionally opposite meanings. It is explained here:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal"><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/james-comey-hillary-clinton-grassley/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/<wbr>politics/james-comey-hillary-<wbr>clinton-grassley/index.html</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal">>…<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> does our gov. more and more resemble a religion? </span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal">It does and has for some time.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal">>…<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> How is that different from 'Our God is the only true God?" </span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal">It is a lot like that. That’s why we have libertarians and atheists. We know what religion is, and we know what government power is, we know what it does.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">>…And there is no one to tell them different - they have the power. Scary </span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal">This is the well-known danger of power. It falls into the wrong hands. We who live in a democratic republic are left to choose which wrong hands the power falls into.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal">BillW, if you don’t know the importance of “grossly negligent” vs “extremely careless” do get on Google and find out how those are opposites under some circumstances.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal">In the meantime, note that we are in an interesting time from an Orwellian perspective. In Nineteen Eighty Four, Orwell described a dysfunctional government in which the officials were watched constantly, but the inner circle had the option of turning off their monitors. Now we face the question: do we allow government officials to communicate with the option of turning off the monitoring process? In this case, it means their workings are not archived. Who gets that? What if the party in power gets that privilege but the opposing party does not? Is that not a chain reaction leading to a complete totalitarian grip on power?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-2824436996286159125m-926652552912657159gmail-msonormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></font></span></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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