<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Adrian Tymes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><span class="">On Feb 9, 2018 9:57 AM, "Dave Sill" <<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></span><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_-6012845509172733081quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><div class="m_-6012845509172733081quoted-text"><br></div></span><span class=""><div>No, we can't undo the damage that's been done. But we can stop inflicting more and we can leave them the fuck alone.</div></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What exactly would this entail?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> "Stop inflicting damage" would entail not forcing native Americans to relocate, not stealing their land, etc. "Leaving them alone" would entail leaving them alone. Stop meddling in their affairs. Stop telling them how to live.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">One person's "we've done it this way longer than I've been alive" can be another's "violating our sacred ways", whether or not said ways have slim to no documentation of actually being ancient.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What business is it of ours whether some practice is ancient or not?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Likewise, and as an extension, one person's "not inflicting more damage" can be another's "reparations forever".</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm sorry, I don't see how those can be confused. But, as I said, I oppose reparations.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"> Both of them involve one party being aware of and caring about another for a potentially infinite period of time ("forever" and "it will never be okay to resume inflicting damage").</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Leaving people alone should be the default. It shouldn't be a burden to remember not to violate someone's rights. "Oh, crap, I forgot I'm not supposed to steal my neighbor's stuff and rape his wife!."</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"> The distinction is whether the one party must give more or different care and attention to this specific other party than to any other ordinary fellow member of the first party's civilization.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not talking about giving native, or African Americans, or ... different care. I'm talking about respecting other people's rights. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">They are part of our society.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Are they? What are reservations, then?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"> It can no longer be otherwise. To leave them alone would be to expel them and forbid all further contact, an impossible task (and even if it were possible, morally dubious at best).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">To not inflict further damage requires defining what constitutes further damage. Most clarifications I have seen of this, quickly reduce to endless repstations - whatever the victims, or more often their self-appointed guardians, demand each day.</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">No reparations. No guardians. Just mind your own business. It's not that hard and not that complicated.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">-Dave</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>