<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Wow. Blame the victim much?</div><span class="gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Dave </div></font></span>I am hardly without sympathies for all the people Europeans slaughtered and decimated with small pox, though it was just like what always happens with two cultures with far different technology clash. What was done in the British Empire, the European conquest of the Americans, and so on, was sinful. But that just goes to show what humans are really like: if they can kill off what they deem as enemies (an enemy is someone who is not US), they will. Also, they will take their women, children, and turn them into slaves, plus ripping off whatever they want. Odysseus was a hero, right? Raper and killer of women. Plunderer. Hero!!??</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">It's not so much blame the victim to me, it's just that they did not have the right stuff to compete with Europeans. And still don't. You can argue heredity/environment endlessly, but what American Indians have accomplished, before and after we came, is very little. Other groups with mindbending poverty, illness, oppression, and so on in their backgrounds, have blended in - assimilated. Not so American Indians. Look at the California Vietnamese. Doughnut czars now.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">On the positive side, the Indians now have all the opportunities of modern society, health care, food stamps, TV, firewater, which they would maybe never have had had they been left alone for another thousand years.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Dave? Do you think we owe them endlessly? Reparations forever? Hmmm. Maybe we ought to toss them out of the reservations (breaking yet another treaty, ho hum), and force them to adapt to modern life. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">------</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span> </span>I would bet you have Irish BillW.<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p><span class="gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px">spike</p></font></span>Almost certainly true. I would say that I would be proud to have Irish genes, but it would be a lie. I cannot be proud of something I did not accomplish. If I have, it doesn't make me any closer emotionally to the Irish.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I have no African genes, but my first wife did and so do our children. Hohum. Who cares?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:44 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-3925413187634301713WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@<wbr>lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<span class=""><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] it's the yoga! was: RE: The Doomsday Clock<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>>…<span style="color:#222222">So now I ask: in what sense can it be said that it makes sense to scorn the notion of cultural appropriation? And if we do, why is it Americans don’t seem to have much heartburn when we see other cultures appropriating stuff we invented?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888;background:white"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888;background:white">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">--<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Do the Irish care when non-Irish celebrate St Pat's day? Nah. They welcome the participation. In fact, others' joining in validates their culture, not appropriates it. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><span class=""><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">No, Spike - it makes no sense at all.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></span><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">bill w<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Well there is that, but Irish might be a special case. If you ever do one of those 70 dollar DNA tests, it is very difficult to find a person who isn’t part Irish. If they are recent (last century) immigrants from Africa or Asia, they won’t have any probably, but anyone with European ancestry seems to turn up with that in there. I didn’t even know until I took the test. I would bet you have Irish BillW.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></font></span></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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