<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">…If I Google ( liberal conservative IQ ) the first 4 hits bring up studies that say liberals are smarter, but to tell the truth I don't think those studies or the one you mentioned about how being conservative correlates with IQ are worth much because the word "conservative" no longer means anything. …John K Clark <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><u></u> </p>First, why do we care about the average IQs? Looking to put some group down? Tiny group differences mean next to nothing when we go to judge individuals.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">If you want a truly confusing ride of ideas, try Wikipedia: look up conservative and liberal. The changes that have occurred in the last 200 years are enlightening but confusing. Even today these terms mean different things here and in Europe and Britain.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Ask a conservative what kind of ideas started this country and see if he can say the word 'liberal'. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Here in Mississippi, small government Repubs are alive and well and destroying our state. Each legislative session more and more services are being cut, roads and bridges get nothing even though we have the worst roads in the civilized world. Jackson has potholes that were here when I went to school in 1964 - more of a third world city. Don't come here. We lose graduates of all types to adjoining states but they look for ways to keep them without actually raising their pay!!! </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 1:12 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_5273263427442750184WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@<wbr>lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rafal@smigrodzki.org" target="_blank">rafal@smigrodzki.org</a>; ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.<wbr>org</a>><span class=""><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Forbidden Words<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 2:30 AM, Rafal Smigrodzki <<a href="mailto:rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><span class=""><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> >…</span>Read this:<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/11/politics-and-iq-conservative-democrats.html" target="_blank">http://anepigone.blogspot.com/<wbr>2008/11/politics-and-iq-<wbr>conservative-democrats.html</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">2.7 IQ points is not within sampling error, as long as our sample is large enough.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></span><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…If I Google ( liberal conservative IQ ) the first 4 hits bring up studies that say liberals are smarter, but to tell the truth I don't think those studies or the one you mentioned about how being conservative correlates with IQ are worth much because the word "conservative" no longer means anything. …John K Clark <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">That’s part of the problem but I see something even bigger: there is no clear way to establish a means of averaging the population. How do you get a representative cross section of people of a particular political persuasion to take an IQ test? How do you describe the results? Average the scores? What if some sneaky researcher got the audience of some daytime game show to take a test? What if you did a test at a Boy Scout meeting? You can make that test come out any way you want.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">So this goes back to a question I had earlier: if we wanted to do these kinds of studies, do we have anything already in place which we can kinda think of as a proxy for collective IQ? I came up with one idea: statewide SAT scores. We also know how a particular state votes (as a group.) So… looks to me like we can (kinda sorta) correlate those, if we can somehow figure out how to compensate for spending per student and for the fact that some states require all the students to take the SAT, some only have the college-bound crowd take it, and some states have all but the known-learning-impaired students take it.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></font></span></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></font></span></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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