<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:56 PM, Adrian Tymes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Dave Sill <<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com">sparge@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></span><span class="">><br>
> "Stop inflicting damage" would entail not forcing native Americans to<br>
> relocate, not stealing their land, etc. "Leaving them alone" would entail<br>
> leaving them alone. Stop meddling in their affairs. Stop telling them how<br>
> to live.<br>
<br>
</span>Define "meddling in their affairs" and "telling them how to live".<br>
For instance, must they obey our laws when they are in our cities?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not suggesting giving them something like diplomatic immunity so they can freely break our laws. I think it's reasonable to allow them to run their reservations according to their laws. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">> What business is it of ours whether some practice is ancient or not?<br>
<br>
</span>"Because it's ancient" is often used as a justification: if it was<br>
pre-existing, then the redress requested is to revert to that state.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Once again: no reparations. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">> Leaving people alone should be the default. It shouldn't be a burden to<br>
> remember not to violate someone's rights. "Oh, crap, I forgot I'm not<br>
> supposed to steal my neighbor's stuff and rape his wife!."<br>
<br>
</span>We are not today stealing from Native Americans, nor raping them, to a<br>
much larger degree* than we are stealing from and raping anyone else<br>
who we today call our citizens. What treatment would you have us give<br>
them, that even needs bringing up as something we do not already<br>
extend to everyone?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nothing in particular. I'm just not assuming that we'd never do that again. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">> I'm not talking about giving native, or African Americans, or ... different<br>
> care. I'm talking about respecting other people's rights.<br>
<br>
</span>And we are. An argument could be made for dismantling reservations<br>
and otherwise undoing all laws that today give Native Americans<br>
special or preferential treatment, but that would seem to be the<br>
opposite of what you are calling for.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't see any justification for undoing deals made in the past that "gave" a few spots of generally worthless land to the original inhabitants of the country. Seems like we got the better end of the bargain.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If that is what you are calling for, then you should explicitly call<br>
for that. Many people will read "leave them alone" as "exile them all<br>
to the reservations and forbid them from returning, so we no longer<br>
interact with them".</blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, I'd think we should exile them to reservations. Those who want to assimilate should be allowed to.</div><div><br></div><div>Look, I'm just one person with what I think are pretty standard libertarian views of things. I'm not some grand poobah of native American relations. I don't have a detailed treatise on what we should or shouldn't do. I just know that we European Americans and our US government committed grievous acts against the natives and we should ensure that that never happens again.</div><div><br></div><div>-Dave </div></div></div></div>