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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] de Waal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>But to offer them 72 virgins or an eternal afterlife was cheap.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Somewhere in this discussion I am looking for the notion that religious people work together well as a team.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888;background:white'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>…<span style='color:black'>But the concept of soul had to exist first, right?</span> <span style='color:black'>bill w<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hmmm, not necessarily. There are some modern forms of religion that do not have the concept of a soul or a spirit. Example: Seventh Day Adventist. The teaching is that in some future time, humans who faithfully donate money to the Seventh Day Adventists, plus a smattering of others, will be recreated out of atoms in a matter and energy world. After death and before that future even, they “exist” as a memory (God’s) so one might say they have a dormant software phase, followed by a subsequent re-hardwared eternity.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It is possible the old-timers went the same route: promising their soldiers there would be a literal physical resurrection, along with all those beautiful girls (you brave young men will be eternal Hugh Hefners (oh my, where’s my sword…)) Could be the whole notion of a soul was an after-thought, perhaps invented by the Essenes (notice the Old Testament doesn’t really have that soul business in there.) <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>