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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Sill<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] I wish this was fake news<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:43 PM, <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>>…<span style='color:black'>Barbra Streisand: “I’ve talked to senators from Michigan and Wisconsin. I do believe, like I believed during Bush, they were playing with those voter machines…” </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>…Seriously? Hearsay from a celebrity is the best you've got?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Not seriously. I got a huge heehaw when I saw a Hollyweird star point fingers at the voting machines. I thought the day would never come.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My comment from years ago is that if an election ever comes out differently than expected, it could result in a disputed election. One did. The next one could come out waaaay different than expected. A disputed election now would be really bad news.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>>…Elections are done on a state level. Trump can’t do anything either way. It isn’t his call.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>…Then you're not trying to solve one problem, you're trying to solve 50 problems. Good luck with that…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>True. The voting machine problem cannot be solved at the federal level.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>…Trump, congress, and the entire federal government are constantly doing things that aren't their call…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I agree that they do. But it is not legal. This problem has to be solved legally.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>…Who would object to a national effort to replace old, vulnerable, proprietary voting machines with new, open source, more secure voting machines with a paper trail? -Dave<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The people who benefit from the arrangement would object. If done illegally, I would object. States must carry the ball on this. State governments must do something they have previously persistently refused to do: publish vote totals of paper ballots, mail-in ballots and machine ballots as separate numbers. That alone would give us a hint that something is amiss. But it could make a new problem as well, if we discover something is amiss. I want the new problem.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>