<div dir="auto"><div><div style="font-family:sans-serif" dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px">> Only your subjective, internal experience will allow you to be sure if it is you, and that agent will not be able to convince anyone else (including copies) of that.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div>Two problems:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1) In the scenario describe, "you" are no longer available for comment, most likely permanently, and thus become irrelevant.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2) It is presumably possible for that agent to "convince" Re Rose of the argument that Re Rose just made.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 11:47 AM Re Rose <<a href="mailto:rocket@earthlight.com">rocket@earthlight.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">"The only way </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">we'll know for sure that any Cryonics procedure works is when we</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">successfully revive somebody"</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Actually I'm not sure that will be helpful in all cases. I imagine a scenario where a backup copy is uploaded to a host. Upon reanimation it will be completely convinced its consciouness is as the person who was uploaded. Why shouldn't it be? IMHO, the only individual who will even be able to know if the copy is in fact "you" will be you - a copy will not be able to tell. Not even your friends or partners can say if its you. They may be convinced it is you. Only your subjective, internal experience will allow you to be sure if it is you, and that agent will not be able to convince anyone else (including copies) of that.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">--Regina</span></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
 On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:08 AM, Giulio Prisco <<a href="mailto:giulio@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">giulio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><snip><br>
> <a href="https://turingchurch.net/cryonics-for-uploaders-" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://turingchurch.net/cryonics-for-uploaders-</a>discussion-video-1f59e77b3aa9<br>
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<br>Thanks for the link Giulio that was interesting, especially Kenneth<br>
Hayworth's comment that in his opinion preserving the brain connectome<br>
would be good enough for uploading and infusing glutaraldehyde would help<br>
in allowing you to evenly distribute cryoprotectant better; but his idea<br>
ASC should not be offered until its been proven to work made no sense to me<br>
and insisting it should go through the same amount of red tape that a new<br>
cancer drug does before its approved made even less sense. The only way<br>
we'll know for sure that any Cryonics procedure works is when we<br>
successfully revive somebody, and if the technology was that good curing<br>
any disease would be easy so nobody would ever need to be cryopreserved<br>
again.<br>
<br>
John K Clark<br></blockquote></div></div></div></div>
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