<div dir="auto">Someone woke up on the wrong side of the thermonuclear war this morning...</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, May 1, 2018, 7:09 PM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:46 PM, J. Stanton </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:js_exi@gnolls.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">js_exi@gnolls.org</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">>></div>"<font size="4">I ask myself if I were a moral monster but smarter than Donald Trump (as almost everybody is)"</font></blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>The mental gymnastics here are hilarious. Somehow a dumb person managed to:<br>
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1. Turn $1 million into a $multi-billion fortune.</i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Yes Trump claims he only got a $1 million loan from his father and that was it, but lying for Trump is like breathing. In reality Trump inherited at least 40 million dollars from his daddy in 1974. Since 1974 the S&P 500 has gone up 74 fold, if he had put his inheritance into a simple S&P index fund and reinvested the dividends and then just sat on his hands and did nothing today it would be worth 3.4 billion. When Trump announced his presidency in 2015 almost no independent analyst thinks he was worth anywhere near 3.4 billion, although today I wouldn’t be surprised if he was worth 10 or 20 times that. <br>Being president can be very profitable. </font>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> i</div>n contrast, nearly 1/3 of lottery jackpot winners go bankrupt,</blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:large">Trump invested heavily in Trump Castle in Atlantic City; about a year after it opened Trump Castle filed for bankruptcy. And Trump didn't just invest in real estate, Trump invested in Eastern Air Lines, soon after that Eastern Air Lines went bankrupt. Trump invested in the United States Football League, but people would much rather watch the NFL; so when he couldn't beat them in the free market Trump went to the courts and claimed the NFL was a monopoly. Trump won his lawsuit and got triple damages too; the jury awarded him one dollar, so with triple damages his grand total was three dollars. Very soon after that the United States Football League went bankrupt. </span><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>and none are in the Forbes 400.)</blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Trump wouldn't be on the Forbes 400 either is he had told the truth, but truth is a foreign concept to Trump:</font></div></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/20/the-forbes-400-and-how-trumps-shameless-self-promotion-helped-make-him-president/?utm_term=.01b12fa941e8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/20/the-forbes-400-and-how-trumps-shameless-self-promotion-helped-make-him-president/?utm_term=.01b12fa941e8</a> </div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div><i>Next, become a reality TV star.</i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Honey Boo Boo<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> was also a </div>reality TV star<div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> and I have no doubt would make a better president. </font></div></font><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><i><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Along the way, marry and have children </i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">His 3 oldest children are worthless creeps, I make no comment about his youngest two.</div> </font></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <i>Get elected President despite<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> [...]</div></i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Get elected president despite not receiving a majority of the vote of the American people nor even a plurality.</font></div> </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>3. Maintain an approval rating in excess of Obama's</blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Bullshit.</div> </font></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>4. Achieve 2.9% GDP growth</blockquote><div><br></div>
<div><font size="4">Obama achieved 2.9% GDP growth too and he inherited the worse economic disaster since 1929. Jimmy Carter was not reelected because people felt the economy was a disaster, but he actually got 3.3% GDP growth. And by the way, Bill Clinton achieved 3.9%. </font><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div><i>- and rising</i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">How the hell do you know what the future will bring?</div> </font></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>- via renegotiating trade agreements disadvantageous to the USA</blockquote><div><br></div><div>
<p class="m_9138498803128235160gmail-m_4575688297202731036gmail-p1"><font size="4">Disadvantageous to Trump personally and his rich buddies, but I prefer the free market, at one time among other things being Extropian meant being in favor of free markets because it is clearly the most logical economic policy to have and Extropians considered logic a virtue, but those days are sadly gone hence this list was overwhelmingly in favor of Trump in 2016, perhaps a bit less now but I’m not sure.</font></p><p class="m_9138498803128235160gmail-m_4575688297202731036gmail-p1"><font size="4"></font></p><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font size="4"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Believe it or not I even remember when extropians thought a balanced budget was important, but now its only important if a democrat is president. </font></font></div><font size="4"><br></font><p></p><p class="m_9138498803128235160gmail-m_4575688297202731036gmail-p1"> <span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span><i style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </i><i style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">despite repeated taunts like "What magic wand do you have? Those jobs aren't coming back" from previous Presidents.</i></p></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Do you really think coal mining jobs are coming back?</font></div><font size="4"> </font><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
5. End the Korean War</blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">What on earth are you talking about?! Trump hasn't ended anything yet. If somebody as smart as Obama or Bill Clinton were going to talk with the leader of North Korea I would be filled with optimism, but with somebody as brain dead dumb as Trump I am filled with dread. I know Kim Jung-un will outsmart him, I know it will be bad I just don't know how bad. It could be as disaster. I don't see how anybody who watched Trump's incorrect ravings on Fox And Friends a few days ago and still be hopeful about the future. I admit it, I'm scared. </font><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div><i>I'm sure John Clark knows *much* more about what caused North Korea's primary test site to collapse than the entire military intelligence complex</i></blockquote><font size="4"><br>No I sure the CIA knows far far more details about the collapse than I do.<br></font><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>and the President</blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">But I'm also sure I know more about it than the president.Yes all the details about it would be in The President's Daily Briefing Book but unlike every other president its well known that Trump won't read it and prefers to learn about the state of the world from the boob tube, more specifically from Fox And Friends and Sean Hannity's show on the American equivalent of Pravda. </font><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><i><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">></div> </i><span style="font-size:12.8px"><i>Anyone who thinks President Trump is stupid</i><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><i> </i>[...]<i></i></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:large">Anyone like Trump's Secretary Of State who called him a "fucking moron"? Like Trump's National Security Adviser who think he's a "idiot" and a "moron with the intelligence of a “kindergartener”? Like Trump's Chief of Staff who also thinks he's a "idiot"? Remember these are Trumps own people that he picked himself that see more of him than anyone and know him best. </span><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div><i>the inevitable consequence of the "Trump is stupid" argument is that he was elected because of stupid people</i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Yep, that is an entirely logical argument and I agree with you entirely.</font><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><i>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Personally, I think that redirecting NASA to ACTUALLY EXPLORE SPACE and GO TO MARS is far more of interest to this mailing list,<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>which is still theoretically Extropian.</i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">Trump is the most anti-science president in the history of the country. A year and a half into his presidency and Trump still hasn't nominated anybody to fill the position of National Science Adviser. Trump wanted to reduce the National Institutes of Health by 22% and reduce the The National Science Foundation by 30%. and a 16% cut in the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration they're the people who tell you if you're about to be hit by a hurricane or a tornado. Trump wants to cancel the WFIRTS space telescope and just a few days ago he did cancel the polar lunar rover that was going to look for underwater water and hydrogen on the moon which you're really going to need if you're serious about space exploration. Obama chose Steven Chu to be Energy Secretary, Chu is a former Nobel Prize winner in physics. Trump choose Rick Perry to be Energy Secretary. Perry is the former hillbilly governor of Texas who wants to cut energy R&D by 15% and kill the Advanced Research Agency entirely. Vaccines have saved the lives of hundreds of millions of people but in the face of all <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">scientific</font> evidence to the contrary Trump insists that there are “many cases” of children who became autistic after receiving vaccinations.</font></div><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div>Finally as a Trump fan I really want to ask you something, when Trump was campaigning and said Mexico was going to pay for that idiotic wall did you actually believe him? If your IQ was greater than your body temperature in degrees centigrade you couldn’t have, but that immediately raises another question. Why don’t you get mad when somebody lies to you?</div><div><br></div></font></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></span></div>
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