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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] ?What would ?Kim Jong-un? do??<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 8:32 PM, <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> > Regardless of what even the majority wants, the constitution is still the law.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>>…But the constitution is not a law of physics, it can be violated…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Sure, if you win the civil war. I wouldn’t bet on anyone’s odds, since they would be up against those who hold that document as sacred as a law of physics, and we are a well-armed militia. The constitution is what gives a president authority in the first place.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>>…And is anybody is ever going to make himself king its going to be somebody like Trump…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>John, keep in mind the founders specifically designed the constitution to prevent someone from making himself king. They understood that well, having lived in an era where kings really did run the show. They didn’t want one. So… they put in place a system that specifically prevents that. They did a marvelous job.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>> >…<i>There is no redo mechanism in the constitution,</i><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>>…But if Trump doesn't win in 2020 I can see him insisting we're going to have a redo election anyway…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>He can insist all he wants, but there is no legal mechanism to make that happen. The court swears in the rival, right on schedule, the marines come in and haul away whoever refuses to leave. The soldiers took an oath to the constitution, not the guy who wants to call himself president.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>There is a reason why this has never happened, and it isn’t that we didn’t have megalomaniacs in that office before now. They didn’t declare themselves dictator for life, not because they didn’t want to be, but because they couldn’t, after the one time it almost happened, 1932-1945.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>> >…We saw Rogue One. We know it can be done, we know there is enormous motive. So what can we do?<o:p></o:p></span></i></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>>…It seems to be harder to fake audio than video, so far nobody had made a movie where a character's dialog comes from a speech synthesizer, so that should give us a few years of breathing space. Perhaps we need to start putting a cryptography time stamp in-camera on all video shot, although I'm not sure how exactly that would work and may not be practical. John K Clark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Ja, but in the meantime, a Rogue One Tarkin scene could still convince plenty of voters, enough to flip an election. There is both a means and a motive, plenty of motive. So… it will be done. I don’t even know how we could stop it, particularly if it is done by a foreign national and is not traceable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>