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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Guns caused UK Industrial Revolution<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>"<i>We need to stop thinking that Britain invented industrialism because<br>it had an especially laissez-faire government or because it had a<br>unique entrepreneurial genius or culture,” Satia says.<br>“Let’s acknowledge the fact that Britain was involved in a lot of<br>wars, and in order to pursue those wars the government needed arms</i>.</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>>…The Roman Empire was involved in even more wars than the British were, so why didn't the industrial revolution happen then? John K Clark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'>It did. The ancient Romans developed plenty of war stuff way advanced for its time, chariots, armor, iron works, all kindsa stuff, and it came out of the necessities of war.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'>Had the ancient Romans discovered chemistry, then gun powder, they would have done all the stuff Europe did later, for all the same reasons.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'>This was something we who studied engineering at a pacifist school had to deal with: we were tech geeks, and we had to admit that war really does drive tech. Now we can pretend that markets drive tech (and they do) but markets are economic warfare, in a sense.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'>spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>