<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 4:37 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:08 PM, William Flynn Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</div></span><div class="gmail_quote"><span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><i><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">></div>Isn't the Turing test just whether people can tell it's a person or a computer?</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Yes.</font></div></div><span><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div><i>It seems to this psychologist that that is a very low bar to get over. People believe what they want to believe and are easily fooled.</i> <br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><font size="4">But in this case the people <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div>didn't even know they were in a test, they just assumed they were talking to a human. And the machine did a better job making a reservation to the Chinese restaurant than I could have done; with the thick accent and elliptical phrasing I had great difficulty understanding what the human was trying to say, but obviously to the computer it was clear as a bell. </font><span><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">><i> </i></div><i>I'd like to see a more meaningful test.</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div><font size="4">Like what? All Turing is saying is that we should judge how intelligence a computer is the same way we judge the intelligence of other people, by behavior. And I have to say that in this case the computer demonstrated more intelligence than I have because I would have been constantly saying "I don't understand what you're saying please repeat it". <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div></font></div><div><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></font></div><div><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">John K Clark</div></font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">didn't even know they were in a test</span></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">Now to me, that means that they will be very unlikely to suspect anything, unless something really dumb occurs. I'd like to see that test done over with people knowing beforehand.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">I still say that getting into a restaurant and not noticing that a computer is doing it is no judge of people's intelligence. If you want to call that intelligence in a computer, OK by me.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">Are there any types of reasoning that computers cannot do at all? Seems that would be a better test by far. I know AI can do induction (GOLEM)</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">bill w</div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font size="4"></font></div><div> </div><div> </div></div></div></div>
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