<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">see below</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Adrian Tymes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 1:04 PM, <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Another way to look at it: the constabulary hangs around the gangy<br>
> neighborhoods where the crime is happening, apprehends, convicts and<br>
> incarcerates the bad element, leaving the good element to enjoy differential<br>
> reproduction, resulting in a safer better neighborhood.<br>
<br>
</span>Part of the complaint is that they don't target just the bad element.<br>
People get convicted and incarcerated wherever the constabulary hangs<br>
out, and a significant fraction of said people are in fact innocent.<br>
<br>
Also, the methods the constabulary employs allegedly prevent many of<br>
those around them who are not arrested from becoming (and raising) the<br>
good element. See for example: complaints about black people being<br>
shot for following officers' instructions. ("You told him to reach<br>
for his wallet, then when he did so you yelled about him reaching for<br>
a gun. You did all this with gun drawn and pointed at him, so it took<br>
only a moment's panic to squeeze the trigger. Having weapon drawn,<br>
let alone pointed at the detainee, for an ordinary traffic stop is in<br>
blatant violation of police procedure, but you did it anyway with no<br>
consequence to you - making the official procedure irrelevant - until<br>
the day you fired, and it appears as if you only did it to black<br>
people you pulled over<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">From my perspective, the problem with police acting like the one above is fear, not aggression.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Studies of black and white school kids show that both black and white kids fear black faces (men) more than white ones. And around here, central MS, blacks do commit more crimes, esp. shooting ones. And they carry weapons. Few enter the cop station with weapons. Living in the communities that they do, that is understandable, and cops know this.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">So a white cop is faced with a black subject and the fear starts. It's even worse when the cop is in a car and chasing the subject. Then the excitement of the chase adds some anger to the fear and the fear increases because a lot of chases involve hitting other cars, and cops do die from those, two recently here. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">So when the subject is stopped they tend to get over-arrested in the sense of more aggression towards the subject than when no chase occurs.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Fear will override police procedure and even the cameras the cops wear. Remember Rodney King? They were so mad at him they beat him while he was face down on the ground.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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