<div dir="ltr">Here's one thing that I don't understand about national debts. Why are they even a thing?<div><br></div><div>Suppose you have 2 countries.</div><div><br></div><div>Country A owes B $1M</div><div>Country B owes A $2M</div><div><br></div><div>Why can't Country A and B just "trade" their imaginary debt to each other, so that A owes nothing, and B owes $1M?</div><div><br></div><div>Country A owes B $1M, owes C $2M</div><div>Country B owes A $1M, owes C $1M</div><div>Country C owes A $2M, owes B $2M</div><div><br></div><div>Country A has $3M in debt and is owed $3M</div><div>Country B has $2M in debt and is owed $3M</div><div>Country C has $4M in debt and is owed $3M</div><div><br></div><div>Couldn't A and B swap $1M in debt; B&C swap $1M in debt; C&A swap $2M in debt</div><div>Then A would have no debts; B has no debts; C has $1M in debts to B...</div><div><br></div><div>I mean, I understand that governments tend to owe "themselves" or their citizens money, but surely something similar could be done?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I mean, If I owe my Uncle 500 dollars, and he owes my aunt 400, and my aunt owes me 300...</div><div>My aunt gives me 300</div><div>I Give my uncle 300 (and still owe him 200)</div><div>He gives my aunt 300 (and still owes her 100)</div><div><br></div><div>So couldn't I just say, oh, nevermind on that 300, then I owe him 200, and he owes her 100? Because even if we all pass around $1, that's eventually where we will end up... if we just subtract the debt, it's like we passed around that dollar, but really, really fast. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 7:41 AM, BillK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com" target="_blank">pharos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is the global economy just a giant debt scam? What the financial elite<br>
doesn’t want you to know<br>
Yanis Varoufakis saw power up close. He says capitalism is dead,<br>
democracy is crumbling and we’re ruled by debt<br>
<br>
Andrew O'Hehir June 9, 2018<br>
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<<a href="https://www.salon.com/2018/06/09/how-the-greek-debt-crisis-exposed-the-global-economy-as-a-giant-con-and-led-to-donald-trump/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.salon.com/2018/<wbr>06/09/how-the-greek-debt-<wbr>crisis-exposed-the-global-<wbr>economy-as-a-giant-con-and-<wbr>led-to-donald-trump/</a>><br>
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Quote:<br>
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What was the cumulative global result of all these processes? Do you<br>
really need to ask?<br>
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Is this where we get back to Trump and Brexit and the rise of<br>
authoritarianism and right-wing nationalism around the world? It is.<br>
Varoufakis sees all those things as clearly connected and part of an<br>
unmistakable backlash. After mainstream politicians had cynically<br>
transferred those billions of dollars in banking losses onto ordinary<br>
people both in America and Europe -- magically combining the high<br>
taxation of social democracy with the austerity state of free-market<br>
capitalism -- they then pretended to be baffled by what happened next.<br>
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The political movements that benefited from this climate, as<br>
Varoufakis puts it, were those fueled by racism and xenophobia, "the<br>
right-wing monsters that breed in the environment of deflation."<br>
Establishment parties then "wondered why it was that the discarded<br>
people from our neighborhoods and villages and towns turned against<br>
them and decided to vote for somebody that peeved them, annoyed them,<br>
just in order to get back at the establishment that had discarded<br>
them. Great wonder, isn’t it?”<br>
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This is a long article, but well worth reading, as it explains a lot<br>
of the world weirdness.<br>
<br>
BillK<br>
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