<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 5 Aug 2018 at 3:36 am, William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto">Interestingly, part of the definition of a delusion in psychiatry (e.g. in the DSM) is that the belief is not held by people from the same culture. If this criterion were not included then religious beliefs and other beliefs held in the absence of evidence would be classed as delusional.</div></div></div><span class="m_4536632097582200334gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#888888">--<span> </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="m_4536632097582200334gmail-m_8508460717812361523gmail_signature">Stathis Papaioannou</div></font></span><b>Which just goes to show you that you should not let psychiatrists be in charge of anything important (especially things like involuntary incarceration). Do you know how things get into and out of (like homosexuality) the DSM? Voted on at conventions - by some who are lit up like a supernova. Realize that the DSM is a political and cultural thing, not a scientific categorization. For the worst case of this, look at Russia and China and see who they regard as abnormal.</b></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Syndromes and diagnoses in psychiatry change all the time, but symptoms are consistent across time and across cultures, and can generally be recognised by laypeople. So a problem arises if someone comes up with a clearly crazy belief but it seems objectively no more crazy than many widely held religious beliefs: what is it that distinguishes the two types of belief? It is telling that a special exception needs to be made for religion, and the basic difference is that if you come up with the belief on your own you are delusional, while if you received the same belief from your parents you are not. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A further criterion distinguishing religious belief from delusion is that in the case of delusion the belief leads to dysfunction within the society where the delusional personal lives; but how is this criterion to be applied when, for example, people blow themselves up to honour their god?</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><b></b></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Stathis Papaioannou</div>