<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I trust you'll also</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">concede that these PERSONS committed ATROCITIES in name of atheism. So</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">please no more of this bullshit that atheists don't commit atrocities</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">in name of their belief. They do, just like the theocratic</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">fundamentalists they claim to oppose.  giulio</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">How does this work?  "I think there is no god so I am going to kill someone."  Huh?  In another thread someone mentioned Lenin and his killing of some scientists because they did not fit his program in some way.  How did lack of a belief in a god lead to this?  Very confusing.  It would seem that Lenin's belief in his program for government led to those atrocities, not some lack of belief.  He happened to be an atheist - also a man, a Russian, etc.  </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">bill w</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 4:03 AM, Giulio Prisco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:giulio@gmail.com" target="_blank">giulio@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I trust you'll concede that the regimes that perpetrated the<br>
atrocities described in the Wikipedia article are not abstract<br>
entities, but formed by persons like you and I. I trust you'll also<br>
concede that these PERSONS committed ATROCITIES in name of atheism. So<br>
please no more of this bullshit that atheists don't commit atrocities<br>
in name of their belief. They do, just like the theocratic<br>
fundamentalists they claim to oppose.<br>
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On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Ben Zaiboc <<a href="mailto:ben@zaiboc.net">ben@zaiboc.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Giulio Prisco <<a href="mailto:giulio@gmail.com">giulio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Aug 5, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Ben Zaiboc <<a href="mailto:ben@zaiboc.net">ben@zaiboc.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> When did you ever hear of anyone committing an atrocity in the name of<br>
> unbelief?<br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/<wbr>wiki/State_atheism</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> I don't think you understood the question.<br>
><br>
> I'm not asking when did you ever hear of a regime trying to enforce atheism<br>
> on a population for political reasons.<br>
><br>
> I'm asking when did you ever hear of a person committing an atrocity (or<br>
> indeed anything deserving of the name 'militant',  i.e. involving the use of<br>
> force) in the name of atheism itself?<br>
> I  don't think I've never heard of a single instance of this.<br>
><br>
> States will employ force, as they've always done, in order to control the<br>
> population. The most obvious reason for mandating atheism is to remove the<br>
> power of the church. It has nothing to do with the issue of belief, it's<br>
> more like an up-to-date version of Henry the VIII establishing the church of<br>
> england.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Ben Zaiboc<br>
><br>
><br>
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