<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:18 AM, SR Ballard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sen.otaku@gmail.com" target="_blank">sen.otaku@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>I think that the reason you keep getting these arguments are because its what people have been taught to reply with by well meaning teachers and personalities. </div><div><br></div><div>I think that many authentically religious people (not people who are members for social reasons) have very different actual reasons for their personal belief. Generally, I think people either believe just because they have an unshakable nagging feeling it is true, or because they have had personal religious experiences, or both. </div><div><br></div><div>However these things are extremely private, and very sensitive. For many religious people, these are some of their most foundational ideas about the world as well as being extremely emotional. People don’t want to open up because the fear and pain of ridicule is very sharp.</div><div><br></div><div>Emotionally and mentally it is mush safer to offer up these cookie cutter “non-answers”, though I don't think people consider it consciously.</div><div><br></div><div>I don’t know that I would say that I’m “religious” per se, but I do, against what all the logical parts of my mind say, believe extremely strongly in “higher powers”. I think that people like myself (I’m also very prone to superstition) are just generally inclined towards supernatural belief even in spite of our own common sense. I know it’s logically dumb but I just can’t help myself.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Well, you are far from the only one. To me, metaphysics makes no sense at all (I am an INTJ), but clearly it does to many people, now and in the past. Many primitive tribes depended on the tribes staying together etc. and following (really believing, not just giving lip service) the tribe's religion. Psychology of religion is not one of my areas to say the least, but Ill bet that there are many studies out there asking why people give up their religions and why people start being religious. I would not be a bit surprised if part of it were not genetic. I would also be surprised if some people did not hear or read about some famous person who was an atheist and think that if that person doesn't believe, i don't think i should either. Who am I to judge? Mark Twain may have had some influence on me. I was a fairly strong Christian early in life, but read Twain, some about origins of the Bible, people about whom it was said that they were born of a virgin, educated their elders, did miracles like raising from the dead - check out what was said about Hercules.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">A large part of religion seems to me to be about hero worship, which is part of why I posted that question.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><span><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite">
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<p class="MsoNormal">When dealing with religious people, there is
a line of reasoning I find very common: life without religion is
pointless, meaningless, etc, because it has no significant long
term… anything. So, they choose to believe because it gives
life meaning.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A related line of reasoning hold that only
religion offers a basis for morality, and a life without
morality would harm others, so… they choose to believe in order
to avoid harm to </p></blockquote></blockquote></span></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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