<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span>stuart wrote - </span>Many science and math teachers will now provide formulas used during tests for the students instead of having them memorize what they are. </div><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></span>My question, as always, is where are the data. Education depts. in my experience, love theories and hate collecting data on them. For all we know, memorizing multiplication tables is a bad idea; or it's a great idea. We cannot go by what we did and how we turned out.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Trouble is getting good data from experiments run by educators.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 10:11 PM, SR Ballard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sen.otaku@gmail.com" target="_blank">sen.otaku@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="">For example, I would wager that in prestigious prep-schools such skills<br>
ARE taught from an early age. However for those students in diploma-mill<br>
public schools, rote-learning and teaching to the test are the rule of the<br>
day.</span><span class="m_-7759215405530126610gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Stuart LaForge</font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The worst part is that they're starting to move away from rote memory, but without replacing it with anything. For example I never had to learn the dates of various historical occourances. This leads to all kinds of confusions about history. Also, they've removed geography in the 3 states where I went to school, so no one knows where anything is, and which famous cities are in which countries. Some school districts are also trying to move away from rote memory of even things like the multiplication tables. Many science and math teachers will now provide formulas used during tests for the students instead of having them memorize what they are. </div><span class=""><div><br></div><div> >
<span style="font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I still want to know about China and their students. I repeat from an earlier post: they have as many students studying English as we have people. </span>
</div><div><span style="font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div></span><div>Well, I only have annecdotal evidence, but it seems they absolutely treat the classroom as a unit, teaching it as a unit. But based on the Chinese tourists I met while in Japan, the following article puts its pretty well, at least as far as math education. I can't speak about other subjects with any degree of knowledge. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://qz.com/939208/more-children-in-the-west-are-being-taught-math-using-chinas-fabled-slightly-brutal-mastery-method/" target="_blank">https://qz.com/939208/more-<wbr>children-in-the-west-are-<wbr>being-taught-math-using-<wbr>chinas-fabled-slightly-brutal-<wbr>mastery-method/</a><br></div></div></div></div>
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