<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 10pt;">Hi, Interesting discussion!</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div style=""><ul><li><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3687589">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3687589</a>/</li><li><a href="https://gizmodo.com/moths-rub-their-genitals-together-to-jam-bat-sonar-1702061119">https://gizmodo.com/moths-rub-their-genitals-together-to-jam-bat-sonar-1702061119</a></li></ul></div><div style=""><font face="verdana, geneva" style=""><span style=""><br></span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 10pt;">Natasha Vita-More, Ph.D.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 10pt;"><span style="color: #000000;"><a title="Natasha Vita-More, PhD" href="http://www.natashavita-more.com" target="_blank">http://www.natashavita-more.com</a></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, geneva; font-size: 10pt;"><br><br></div>
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Subject: Re: [ExI] evolution problems<br>
From: Dan TheBookMan <<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com">danust2012@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Fri, September 14, 2018 1:12 pm<br>
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On Sep 14, 2018, at 12:27 PM, Henrik Ohrstrom <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:henrik.ohrstrom@gmail.com">henrik.ohrstrom@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote type="cite" style="border-left: blue 2px solid; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px;"><div>Bats and moths have evolved together, probably starting with normal sounds for both and escalation and arms race as the logical result.<div>If it was a case of intelligent design we would se the usual signs of a design committee, inside out retinas, brains rotated and mirrored, air and fluid pathways crossing each other and so on. </div><div>/Henrik<br></div></div></blockquote><br><div>I was going to say something like that: bat</div><div>ancestors likely didn’t start off with the highly developed echo-location, but had to coevolve this with prey (and others) that we’re trying to avoid being a meal. It was likely an arms race rather than the moths being plunked down with already sophisticated bats...</div><div><br></div><div>However, this is simply a “just so” story. To figure out how the moths evolved their countermeasures, one would have to actually look at and analyze what data there is on moth evolution.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> Sample my Kindle books at:</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a target="_blank" href="http://author.to/DanUst">http://author.to/DanUst</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div></div></div></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"></div></div></div></div><hr>_______________________________________________<br>
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