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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> spike@rainier66.com <spike@rainier66.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 4, 2018 9:19 AM <br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [ExI] Perjury<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Steinberg<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 4, 2018 8:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Perjury<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Spike,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>>…Let's ignore the assault allegations …<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>>…The reactions he gave to those questions should give you all you need to sufficiently judge his character.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>…Ja to all…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>…Cool fortunes are being made over on PredictIt, none of them mine. Dammit. Spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Something good is coming of all this methinks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If the perjury charge is pursued, it is easy enough to foresee the same logjam: hairsplitting over the definition of drinking to excess, lack of witnesses documenting blackouts etc, none of which are likely to rise to the level of evidence needed for a conviction on a criminal case. A convincing case could be made that this candidate was a drunk (which isn’t a criminal offense) but at the same time that evidence is insufficient to establish perjury (which is a criminal offense.) Criminal charges presume innocence and require criminal prosecutor-level evidence.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So again we have criminal-level accusations with job-interviewey evidence.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Here’s the good part:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In our world today, eeeeeeverybody is carrying cell phone cameras. We can be sure that wild college parties are still happening, at Yale, at Harvard, at everywhere (and I see those two places as among the biggest losers here (your mental picture of Yale changed (so has mine.))) <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So, we can now fully expect that the level of evidence expected is now a video. Any verbal accusation will go straight to the trash can (which is where it belongs if it is a criminal accusation with only that level of evidence.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I hafta see this as a good thing overall. More cameras mean more people acting in a more circumspect manner. Cops are more likely to behave themselves, belligerent drunks can be documented with time-stamped video, plenty of important people will start to carry personal recording cameras, which will catch more bad guys and exonerate more good guys.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It’s all good. Our own loss of privacy has its upside: the bad guys lose privacy too.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>