<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">my judgement is that the conventional wisdom that the Republicans are fiscal conservatives and the Democrats are spendthrifts is wrong. </font></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"> John Clark</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">You could be right, but citing historical data seems to me to be irrelevant. Times change, parties change. I think the best way to characterize the political parties of today is not to do it. Or, you just say 'self-serving' and 'demogogic' and be done with it. I do think the DEms are more progressive. Neither are going to mess with Medicare and Social Security. And that's too bad.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">bill w</span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:36 AM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 11:15 AM William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>The only recent president you cite is Clinton. And I think your sample size is too small, and outdated, to make any judgment about current affairs. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">If you want a larger sample you're going to have to go back further in time. There have been 29 presidents since the Republican party was created, and only 7 have reduced the countries debt as a percentage of GDP, 2 have been Republicans and 5 were Democrats. And only 2 presidents have reduced the debt significantly and both were Democrats. You never have as much information as you'd like but I believe that's sufficient data to make a judgement<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">;</span><span class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">and my judgement is that the conventional wisdom that the Republicans are fiscal conservatives and the Democrats are spendthrifts is wrong. </font></span> </font><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Why restrict the cuts to defense? </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">I don't restrict it to defense but it can't be ignored because it's 54% of discretionary spending. </font><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Some Libertarians think the entire dept. of Education should be closed, among others. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">At one time I said the same thing and at one time I said it was impractical for the government to guarantee that all its citizens receive health care and at one time it was indeed impractical, but I don't think it is today. The USA is far richer than it was a few years ago even if most of the people who live in it are not.</font><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span> When we are spending more than the rest of the world combined on defense, </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">A slight exaggeration, very slight. It's "only" more than the next 7 countries combined, and a flat tire is "only" flat on the bottom.</font></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>massive cuts can be made if we can get China and Russia to do the same. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">That's a big "if". For that you'd need a leader with great diplomatic skill, so obviously that's not going to happen anytime during the Trump Dynasty. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div><br>
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