<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">scientists freely admit that although it makes up 70% of the universe they have no idea what the hell it is, it is the deepest mystery in physics.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Yes, Good. Now if some people would get off their high horse and quit trashing other professions the world might be a tad better. Trying to do better science is always a good goal. bill w</font></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:51 PM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:23 PM William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span><i>Develop a measuring instrument. Use it until you have proved its reliability. Apply it to some problem and find that measurements correlate with something important, which means that you can use it to predict that something. Is this not science? </i></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><i>Conclusion: if you can measure something and predict something with some accuracy, I say you have done science.</i></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span><font size="4">I agree with that but I think the believers in strict instrumentalism push this too far, they don't want me to say anything about atoms or electrons or electricity, I should just say if I change the arrangement of a experiment in a certain way the needle on a voltmeter will change from 7.4 to 7.2 and I should not draw any larger conclusions larger than that. <br></font><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"></div><div style="font-size:small"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span><i>Science does not imply certain areas of study. Repeat - NOT.</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">Yes, science is defined by the method to study not the area being studied. If you're using the scientific method then you're doing science. </font></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>(personally, I'd like to see measurements of dark energy, and other concepts made up so that the theoretical equations make sense - some of these concepts make no more sense than saying God did it)</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">But they've got to call it something and dark energy is as good a name as any, scientists freely admit that although it makes up 70% of the universe they have no idea what the hell it is, it is the deepest mystery in physics.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
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