<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 09:39 John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">...But that sort of argument comes from people who have rejected the idea that God is a intelligent conscious BEING...</font></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just curious, what do you think makes the matter in our brains conscious? And do you think it is not possible that an entity containing multiple consicous brains passing information between each other is not conscious?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">By that logic, let's consider if your brain was without a particular module, say Broca's area. You're still consicous, but aphasic.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Now add in the Broca's area. Would you not say that this is a more expansive consicous entity?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Now add a whole other human Brian you're passing information back and forth with. You mean to tell me this dyad is not a more expansive conscious entity than a single brain? Is the brain a magic special thing that is the only unit of consciousness?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I thought we got rid of vitalism last century.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my humble opinion, given the evidence that the matter in our brains is conscious, and that is composed of smaller conscious units (cf. corpus callosotomy,) and that the universe is made of the same matter of our brains, and that everything in the universe is physically contiguous in spacetime because of our birth from a singularity, it is quite clear that whatever the universe is has consciousness similar to and more expansive than any of its constituent parts. You may say we are too separate in time from the rest of the universe to be connected in a consicous manner, but how is that different from the nanoseconds it takes to pass information from neuron to neuron?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No, I think it is quite rational given overt evidence in the form of scientific studies in matter and spacetime, and in the form of observing our own consciousness, that the universe itself is indeed consicous. Not only do we not know enough about consicousness to say it only resides in brains, but it quite explicitly follows, from these valid points of evidence, that any entity containing smaller conscious entities interacting (including the contiguous nature of all matter and energy, having interacted at the singularity) is itself conscious in some way.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Your error is equating 'God' with the childish notion that an anthropomorphic bearded male figure, who thinks like a human, controls the universe and can alter causality. This is a silly, stupid idea and those who try and truly interpret spiritual thought--the mystics, the gnostics--have a far more transhuman, gender neutral idea of 'God', specifically that whatever the universe is, it is a greater consicousness that contains us--albeit one that cannot be contemplated in human terms except for structural considerations like 'God is consicous', 'God contains humanity', &c.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
</blockquote></div></div></div>