<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 7:10 PM Will Steinberg <</span><a href="mailto:steinberg.will@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">steinberg.will@gmail.com</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>></span>I think there is not a infinite sequence of "why" questions and after a finite number of them the sequence terminates in a brute fact. I think it's a brute fact that consciousness is the way data feel when it is being processed.</font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>Yes, we are in agreement with one another. I am not sure how you define "data" though.</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><font size="4">Date is a piece of information <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">and </span>to Claude Shannon information is just a measure <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">o</span>f surprise, it's the same definition computer designers use<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> and</span> they couldn't make computers without Shannon's Information Theory. The smallest unit of information is the bit; you didn't know before receiving the bit i<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">f</span> 2 things were the same or different, after receiving the bit to your surprise you realize they are<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> the same.</span></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>></span> <font size="4">Maybe I wouldn't be conscious if I didn't have a left big toe, but unless I cut off my toe I'll never know. </font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <i></i></span><i>Well it's not my fault you're not willing to cut your toe off to test it, then. </i><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">I'd be willing to cut off my toe if I thought I would learn how consciousness works by doing so, but I suspect it wouldn't be enough and I'd have to remove other parts of my body and by the time I reached enlightenment there wouldn't be any of me left.</font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-style:italic;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span><i>You can't be a solipsist, sorry; don't worry, if you were the only thing that existed I would tell you.</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div> <font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Is this list getting a bit </span>solipsistic or is it just me?</font><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I don't understand why you would think that the consciousness of one human you are looking at, with two observed hemispheres in the brain that are separately functional in terms of information processing but also integrated, is any different in flavor from the consciousness of, two humans</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">The difference is one of degree not of kind, in particular degree of communication. The corpus callosum is a broadband information link between the left and right hemispheres of the brain, if it is cut you have a split brain and a split mind. You and I are communicating right now but my internet connection is not as information rich as what the corpus callosum can do, if it was then every thought I had you would have and every thought you had I would have and the resulting being would be named Will Clark or John Steinberg.</font></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <i></i></span><i>My conception of 'God' is indeed like a Jupiter Brain,</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">If that's what you're talking about then you should call it a Jupiter Brain, if you insist on calling it "God" you are begging to be misunderstood.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark </font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div></div>
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