<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">stuart wrote ; </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> wanted to see how you tried to distinguish signs of</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">intelligence/consciousness in something very much larger than you were. In</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">something so very different than a human being, what constitutes</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">intelligent behavior and what constitutes merely complex behavior might be</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">hard to distinguish.</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">I object to your use of the word 'merely'. In fact I do a lot of thinking about DNA. Hard to find more complex behavior than that. Sometimes I think of it as having a purpose - teleology. Does it know what it is doing; is it trying to make something better?; or is it merely chemistry?</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">But what are we at base - merely chemistry?</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">bill w</font></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:10 PM Stuart LaForge <<a href="mailto:avant@sollegro.com" target="_blank">avant@sollegro.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">BillW wrote:<br>
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> Maybe it's just too early in the day for me to 'get it'. What with my<br>
> heat tolerance being so low, I did not try to get close enough to the<br>
> subject to perform the test, so I have to say it's untestable. Since it<br>
> is doing what it designed to do perfectly, then I have to say, given its<br>
> very limited behavior range, it's like a person with an IQ of 25 who can<br>
> bag groceries very adequately. Perhaps that person has Down's Syndrome. <br>
> They have a reputation for having a sunny personality.<br>
> So what should I be getting out of this?<br>
<br>
You had earlier wrote:<br>
"Consciousness is a physical reality with which you can do experiments<br>
with testable hypotheses."<br>
<br>
I wanted to see how you tried to distinguish signs of<br>
intelligence/consciousness in something very much larger than you were. In<br>
something so very different than a human being, what constitutes<br>
intelligent behavior and what constitutes merely complex behavior might be<br>
hard to distinguish.<br>
<br>
Xenopsychology is likely to become a real thing as AI progresses.<br>
<br>
I think your assessment of the sun's IQ to be about 25 to be well-reasoned<br>
psychological opinion.<br>
<br>
Plus the video was just plain cool. How often do you get to look at the<br>
sun from that distance with eyes that can see UV light?<br>
<br>
Thanks for humoring my bizarre request. :-)<br>
<br>
Stuart LaForge<br>
<br>
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