<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"> but if something is not just complex but is also far more intelligent that we are then we couldn't predict what it will do even approximately, but after the fact we could see a pattern in its activities that didn't look random. There is nothing in nature that is known to behave that way.    </span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">John K Clark</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Well, yes, to your last sentence, as we have found no creatures smarter.  But even the behavior of an extremely intelligent creature or AI will show reliable patterns, and from those we will have some predictive ability.  If random patterns, them I would argue that there is no intelligent behavior there.  Depends on the questions we are asking, of course.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">bill w</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:13 PM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:1.5">On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 1:11 PM Stuart LaForge <</span><a href="mailto:avant@sollegro.com" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:1.5" target="_blank">avant@sollegro.com</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:1.5">> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I wanted to see how you tried to distinguish signs of<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>intelligence/consciousness<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="line-height:1.5">in something very much larger than you were. In</span><span class="gmail_default" style="line-height:1.5;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="line-height:1.5">something so very different than a human being, what constitutes</span><span class="gmail_default" style="line-height:1.5;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="line-height:1.5">intelligent behavior and what constitutes merely complex behavior might be<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="line-height:1.5">hard to distinguish.</span></i></blockquote><div> </div><font size="4">I don't think it would be hard to distinguish. If something is enormously complex but not intelligent we should have some idea of what its going to do next at least probabilistically, the weather would be a example of that; but if something is not just complex but is also far more intelligent that we are then we couldn't predict what it will do even approximately, but after the fact we could see a pattern in its activities that didn't look random. There is nothing in nature that is known to behave that way.    <br><br>John 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