<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">> what is ‘falsely separating’?<div><br></div><div>A false positive. That is, it seems that abuse has occurred, however in truth it did not. </div><div><br></div><div>If you are mistaken about a man beating his dog and take it from him, that’s one thing, but taking a child is different.</div><div><br></div><div>> we don’t send children to fight and die?</div><div><br></div><div>No, I cannot tell you the last time I heard of an 8 year old Marine being blown up by an IED. Because I’ve never heard of an 8 year old Marine. </div><div><br></div><div>If we’re putting 17 year olds as children, then yes, I’ve heard of that. But not a 16 year old, or any younger than that. <br><br><div>SR Ballard</div><div><br>On Nov 16, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Dave Sill <<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com">sparge@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 9:43 PM SR Ballard <<a href="mailto:sen.otaku@gmail.com">sen.otaku@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>On Nov 15, 2018, at 7:54 PM, William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">They take dogs away from owners for fairly small owner misbehaviors compared to what children have to tolerate.<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Well, we also euthanize dogs, but not children. While the two have been compared, especially now that couples are viewing pets as “starter†children, or a replacement for children, they’re not a particularly good parallel in my opinion. <br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As practice for parenting, pets are probably the best thing going. They require constant care: feeding, training, medical attention, hygiene, etc. If you can't keep a pet, you're going to have trouble raising a child. Better to find that our before you become a parent.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>For example we never force our children to breed, and especially not with their own children.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Most pet owners aren't breeders.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div> We don’t send them to war to be shot and blown up.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oh really?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div> We don’t sterilize them. And so on. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, sure, pets aren't people. But their use in training parents is no less valuable. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>I also tend to think that falsely separating dogs from owners is a lesser offense that falsely separating children from their parents. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What is "falsely separating"? </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>But having two groups of friends: very “hard†leftists and very religious Mormons, this is one of those issues where I don’t really know where I stand. What rights should children have, and when? One group of my friends would say “all the rights all the time†and the other would say “none of the rights until adulthood†but clearly the answer is somewhere in between. I’m just not sure how to figure out where it should be. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Religious indoctrination is one of the worst forms of child abuse. But I don't see that being addressed any time soon.</div><div><br></div><div>-Dave </div></div></div>
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