<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">So you are saying, I think, that obedience is best obtained in a religious context when the demands are given by a similarly religious person, and not that obedience is more of a generalized tendency in religious persons (which is what I thought you were saying first) bill w.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:53 PM Stuart LaForge <<a href="mailto:avant@sollegro.com" target="_blank">avant@sollegro.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">BillW wrote:<br>
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> That is<br>
> there is probably a strong correlation between a person's religiousness and<br>
> whether Stanley Milgram in a white lab coat can get them to electrocute<br>
> other study participants. keith<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/3510781?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.jstor.org/stable/3510781?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents</a><br>
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> That turns out not to be the case. The results of this study are<br>
> puzzling but still contradictory to your statement.<br>
<br>
Did you actually read the study that you cited? A small sample of 30<br>
college students were categorized as extremists i.e. extreme believers and<br>
extreme non-believers, and religious moderates based on the scores on 3<br>
subjective written tests:<br>
<br>
1. An inventory of religious beliefs which was likely biased toward<br>
Judeo-christian tradition as the test was administered by psychology<br>
researchers at a theological seminary., 2. A test of where one falls on<br>
the fundamentalism to humanism axis, and 3. a self-evaluated "closeness to<br>
God" questionnaire.<br>
<br>
It is notable that the "extreme non-believers" based on test #2<br>
(fundamentalism) and test #3 (closeness to God) administered the lowest<br>
average voltage shocks out of the three categories of students. This<br>
doesn't contradict my<br>
hypothesis but rather supports it. The discrepancy is easily understood<br>
that someone who is strongly religious is less likely to perceive a<br>
secular authority figure like a scientist as having any real authority and<br>
therefore would be more likely to disobey a scientist.<br>
<br>
In order to control for that, they should have arranged for a pastor of<br>
those students' faith to order the administration of electric shocks to<br>
perceived non-believers.<br>
<br>
Stuart LaForge<br>
<br>
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