<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 1:04 PM Stuart LaForge <<a href="mailto:avant@sollegro.com">avant@sollegro.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <i></i></span><i>Religions are directly selected for or against based upon their teachings.<br></i></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I </font>think a religious meme (not gene) can be directly selected for. The meme that infected the 911 hijackers, that its a good idea to kill yourself if by doing so you can kill lots of disbelievers, has been very successful; from the meme's point of view crashing a airliner into a skyscraper was a wise move in that it increased its chances of being reproduced in other minds. A meme that says "if you believe in me you will get 77 virgins when you die but if you don't God will torture you for a infinite number of years" has obvious potential for reproductive success in other minds.</font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>How is it not obvious that religion is a trait selected for by increased<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>reproductive success?</i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Increased reproductive success of the meme not the gene, biological Evolution works so much slower than cultural Evolution I don't see how it could play a significant part. The only important gene involved would be one for a tendency of very young children to believe what adults tell them, and that goes far beyond religion, without that we wouldn't have science or art or any of the other good things civilization brings. So be careful what you tell very young children because they'll probably believe you, possibly for life.</font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span><i>Therefore any religion that makes it a sacred duty to procreate is<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>certainly no spandrel.</i><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">The reason Saudi Arabia is almost entirely Muslim and Israel is almost entirely Jewish is not because the two populations have radically different genes (70% of Jewish men and 82% of Arab men inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestor) but because they have radically different memes. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div><div> </div><br>
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