<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">The people of Ireland send their kids to Catholic schools (though many are taking their kids out as well as not going to Mass) because they have few choices and Catholic schools are ubiquitous.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Lying on forms, tests, etc. is so extensive that many subjects cannot be researched this way - sex things for one. Everybody lies about sex. Women are more liberal these days. Are they? Or are their survey answers just different? Or are they lying now to be hep, or were they lying in the past? It could all be conformity to the values at the time. Outer conformity; not necessarily inner.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Freedom is becoming more and more popular, in China and many other places. People see how the rest of the world lives and wants something different from what they have. Even the people in Iran (if you can believe their surveys) do not want any religious entities in government. They want not a theocracy but a democracy, and I hope they get it. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">In the Middle Ages if your father was a tailor, so were you - for the most part. Now people in most places have so much more freedom and so many more opportunities that I do not see how the conformity from generation to generation will hold. And more and more people are moving into big cities, where anonymity is far easier than in the village they came from. Then they can be free to shuck their old ways and religion. Times, they are a' changin.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I do not know, of course, just what percentage of Muslims want to kill us, but it has to be somewhere around .000009 and maybe that's not enough zeros.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">And just what do you have against sincerity? That's like being against honesty.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 2:44 PM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:1.5">On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 12:38 PM William Flynn Wallace <</span><a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:1.5" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:1.5">> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Well, for one thing, people lie, including children. Muslim children are Muslim because their parents are. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><span style="line-height:27px">Sure</span></font><font size="4" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> some do, but I don't think it's credible to maintain this represents more than a tiny minority because when they have children of their own they drill the exact same thing into their head. Do you really think this could go on for 100 generations with nobody believing what they say? I think most Muslims are sincere, I also thing sincerity is a vastly overrated virtue. </font></div></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>In the case of the Muslims, you take your life in your hands if you deny your parents religion.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Yes but why should all those Muslims want to murder non-believers if they really thought it was all a load of crap?</font></div><font color="#000000" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I do wonder what is happening in Ireland. The church there has been so guilty of sexual activity with children that many are not going to Mass, but I'll bet they put "Catholic' in forms.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">But they don't just put it on forms, they might not go to mass every Sunday but most STILL think Judgement Day will happen and expect Catholic theology to prevail in that court and a Catholic priest would be their best lawyer to prepare their case. Perhaps not as many believe this as before it became known that so many Catholic priests were pedophiles but even today the vast majority of Catholics in Ireland STILL send their children to Catholic schools taught by <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Catholic </span>priests. Go Figure.</font><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>So I still need real data. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">If everybody always lies about what they consciously believe then there can never be any real data about it because the only thing we know about what others are consciousness of and what they believe is by listening to what they say.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>
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