<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Well, for one thing, people lie, including children. Muslim children are Muslim because their parents are. (They don't have to declare for themselves or be baptized etc.) Probably the data collectors assume the same for families everywhere.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">In the case of the Muslims, you take your life in your hands if you deny your parents religion. So if inwardly they are not believers, outwardly they have to be. This is certainly less true of Christians and other religions, but I"ll bet most kids, teens, put their parent's religion down when filling out forms until they reach college.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I do wonder what is happening in Ireland. The church there has been so guilty of sexual activity with children that many are not going to Mass, but I'll bet they put "Catholic' in forms.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Which is all to say that there can be a huge difference between inward and outward conformity.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I believe that what you believe is true in the past and has been for a long time. Look at the history of England and how it could be death if you practice the 'wrong' religion. But times, they are a' changin.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">So I still need real data. Going to church is becoming rarer and rarer in our country, and possibly in European countries as well, which is why I still say we need data.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I don't know what any of you have experienced. Many of you are atheists. In my case it was a big struggle within myself to come out as an atheist. Family flak doesn't even begin to describe it.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">What people put down on forms and what they truly believe can be very, very different.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:55 AM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 11:10 AM William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>OK, John, I'll call your bluff - I don't have any data,though I suppose I could get some, but do you? Most children wind up in the same religion and so forth?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">All you need to do is glace at this color coded map of the world's religions:</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups#/media/File:World_religions_map_en.svg" target="_blank"><font size="4">World's religions map</font></a><br></div><div><br></div><font size="4">If children did not usually have the same religion as their parents this map would be a uniform grey, but instead we see gaudy primary colors. Why is there a very strong correlation between geography and religious philosophy, why should one have anything to do with the other? Because very young children tend to believe what adults tell them, and if they are told it often enough they can hold that belief for life even if what they are told is utterly ridiculous. </font><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><font size="4">If you show me 2 people and tell me the first one is from Ireland and the second one is from Afghanistan and ask me to guess which one is a Christian and which one is a Muslim I believe I could do so and my chances of being correct would be considerably better than 50-50. </font><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Geography and religious belief seem to be two very <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">radically</span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"> things, so <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">if I'm wrong </span>what is your explanation as to why knowledge about <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">the </span>one gives us knowledge about the other?</span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> John K Clark</span><br></span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>
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