<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">On Dec 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com">spike@rainier66.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan TheBookMan<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] my view of education<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 14, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Dave Sill <<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com">sparge@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 1:15 PM William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="gmail-m-8953697371932760408gmail-uiqtextpara" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Now I am a loyal American who loves his country. But. I want the truth out and no lies and coverups in educating children.</span><span style="color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Government-run education promotes the government, not too surprisingly.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">While I don’t doubt that, I wonder if it’s the biggest factor here. Are most people likely to not be loyal Americans or whatever simply because they weren’t taught so in school?...Dan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Clarification: public schools are funded at the state level. <o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">I live in a state (California) which seems to be thinking of itself as its own nation, free to make laws in contradiction to national law. This notion is under scrutiny with respect to the biggies: the whole sanctuary state for immigration and the restrictive gun laws and so forth, but consider the legalization of marijuana.<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">California schools fail to explain properly what it means when state law is different from federal law. State authorities can (and do) bust people for certain kinds of weapons allowed at the federal level. But they fail to explain that feds can do likewise: they can bust illegal immigrants in California and they can bust people for grass. <o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">The reason I mention it in this forum is my having to explain to young people that if they choose to smoke grass, they can still get in all kinds of legal trouble if they take it anywhere where the federal agents are likely to be, such as the airport, the national parks, plenty of places. Just because California isn’t going to go after them doesn’t mean the feds won’t, and California won’t pony up a legal defense if the feds decide to jump them.<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">California public schools fail spectacularly in explaining this danger, while taking up the time to grossly exaggerate the dangers of using plastic straws.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br><div>I’m not sure how this even answers my point. My guess is people simply don’t educated on these things. It’s a fantasy to believe they do because adults tested after years of studying civics or government usually can’t even recall simple facts like how many branches of the federal government there are or who were the two sides in the Civil War. And you’re expecting them to retain knowledge of where federal and state law disagree? Even if that were taught, my guess is most students would only learn enough to get a grade and diploma then promptly forget it. </div><div><br></div><div>Add to this, their decision to break specific laws might be influenced more by their peer group and other influences — and not what’s in the curriculum.</div><div><br></div><div>As for your wider comment about state laws conflicting with federal law, this is a fantastic thing that those skeptical of centralized control or big government should at least not dismiss. Here in Washington, the feds can still hurt people for smoking pot, but it’s rare and my hope is that eventually the feds cave on this. That will probably happen as ever more people openly disregard the completely unjust federal law. </div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="line-height: normal;"><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> Sample my Kindle books at:</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="http://author.to/DanUst">http://author.to/DanUst</a></span></p></div></div></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"></div></div></div></div><style><!--
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