<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:16px">Next, we want to use it for things like global warming. I can’t wait to see what kind of consensus people can really find on supposedly important topics like that.</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16px">Now my question is: who are the people? National surveys? Surveys of the intelligentsia? Vetting other surveys done by, say, National Science Foundation or some other like Roper? If you are going to actually perform surveys, then you need psychometricians/social psychologists so avoid asking question in a biased way, or in such a way as to get biased answers, and to survey people in a statistically appropriate way.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> We want to find, build consensus around, measure it rigorously, what people agree on with room for any different points of view. </span><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">On the topic of consciousness citing people like Dennett, you are likely to find high reliability - same answers next year. On topics like global warming, you are likely to find variations, sometimes wide, in what people think today and last year and next year.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">I guess some of my concerns are about: are you going to vet other data for rigor, or are you going to produce raw data and who is going to vet yours?</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">bill w</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:22 PM Brent Allsop <<a href="mailto:brent.allsop@gmail.com">brent.allsop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>William,</div><div><br></div><div>You seem to be thinking of this as a traditional survey. It is not! When David Chalmers herd about our survey, he had the same concerns you did. The egghead stole my idea, but thought he could do it better, so he did it the traditional way:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://philpapers.org/surveys/" target="_blank">https://philpapers.org/surveys/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>That was a disaster, and it just falsely reinforced the belief everyone had that there was no consensus, whatsoever in this field.</div><div><br></div><div>Traditional surveys are about what people disagree on. We want to find, build consensus arround, measure it rigorously, what people agree on with room for any different points of view. A very different task.</div><div><br></div><div>Brent</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:31 PM William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">to brent alsop\</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I went to the website and still don't quite know what you are up to. If it is any kind of surveying, questionnaires, etc., I want to know who you have and what are their qualifications. Designing these things takes experts. I am a social psychologist and know very well that you can sway opinions wildly and inaccurately by the designs - the wording of the questions, etc.. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:34 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_4070694123967016934gmail-m_7813709879122107597gmail-m_5637650927041094569WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Cool!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Brent where the heck have you been man? Seems like a long time since we heard from ya.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Allsop<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 21, 2018 8:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Jim Bennett <<a href="mailto:jim@bennettgrouputah.com" target="_blank">jim@bennettgrouputah.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [ExI] Canonizer 2.0<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi fellow extropians,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">For those who haven't heard, now that we have a little Ether money, we've launched Canonizer 2.0.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">My Partner Jim Bennett just put together this video:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://vimeo.com/307590745" target="_blank">https://vimeo.com/307590745</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If anyone is interested in "investing" (legally, we need to call it donating, at least for now - till we do our canonizer security token offering.) to help move things forward, let me know.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Brent Allsop<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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