<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:24px">(sorry this took so long for a reply) Spike wrote:</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:24px">If a parent complains, then the student has the option of not doing that unit. There is enough material that the student can learn around that material and still make the tall pointy grade. Now the administration can freely offer online material about Christianity, Protestantism or Catholicism, Islam, Hindu, anything they want (and they do.)</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:24px">Are those materials that the school system developed, or just links to Wikipedia or something? It raises a big question for me: I would oppose letting any gov. absolutely rule education. But I also have trouble with letting parents opt their kids out. To a certain point every kid should get the same education (except for topics on which they excel and can go further). Sure, the kids can go home and Google Hinduism, but will they? And in a very real sense, all of the religions are huge parts of history, and history must be taught without anyone being excused. Otherwise you have even worse bias than the school is presenting because of opt-outs being left in ignorance. </span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:24px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:24px">Who gets to choose the education material? In Texas it is very, very strictly controlled and very conservative in matters of sex and history. Their legislatorosauruses tried to ban a vaccine for cervical cancer. I do not know if they succeeded, but we are talking about very primitive people here. Men who want to be in charge of women's health and bodies.</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:24px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:24px">Another problem: kids need teachers who are there in the same room. I hope this will never change. Hard to question things online, I assume. Spike can tell us just how the online content is pitched. Is it to the average student? I assume that is true. Therefore the slower student will need somebody to answer questions. The very best students may not need questions answered, but I was one and I was full of questions.</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:24px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:24px">For Spike - the two hospitals in Jackson are Baptist and Catholic, and yes, they do ask about your religion if you are a patient. Of course you are not forced to answer. I just check for no visits by religious personnel. Different situation than a business etc.</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:24px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:24px">billw</span></font></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 1:25 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_4782908161383551330gmail-m_7455261604418264629WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Rick Warren on religion<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">>>…<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> If a parent complains, then the student has the option of not doing that unit. There is enough material that the student can learn around that material and still make the tall pointy grade. Now the administration can freely offer online material about Christianity, Protestantism or Catholicism, Islam, Hindu, anything they want (and they do.)</span></span><span style="font-size:16pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">>…<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> I find this very sad and very disturbing</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">Indeed? I find it happy and comforting, particularly after reviewing the material myself. It doesn’t promote or denigrate any particular religion (it isn’t obvious to me if they do) but explains a lotta lotta about why and how come.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">>…<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> It was bad enough when nothing was taught and now it may be even worse</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">Disagree. It was bad enough, but now is much better. I recall when biology was being taught in the public school without mentioning evolution, how little sense it all makes without that cornerstone concept. Without some knowledge of religion, history in general makes damn little sense. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">For instance, we in the USA recently celebrated a festival of Thanksgiving, where we talk about pilgrims, European people seeking religious freedom. OK. Why did both Catholic and Protestant authorities have heartburn with them? Seems like one or the other would have been OK with them. Reason: civil authorities were hoping to use religion as a unifying force in their cultures. Perhaps they hoped (in the ideal case) that everyone in their country would subscribe to the religion of the crown. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">OK, that makes sense. Now, separatists, where do they fit? No allegiance to the Pope or the state religion. Now the crown can’t be sure of their loyalty. They can’t be sure if they can trust the separatists to charge the enemy. They don’t know whether to fight them or trust them. So… they don’t want them. No one wants them. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">The separatists want to follow their own way. They got on board a ship and sailed to undeveloped territory where they damn well knew their chances of survival were a tossup. They went anyway.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">That’s powerful motivation.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">>…<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Letting parents select what their children are taught is a road to ignorance and that leads to bigotry and that leads to street fights all the way up to war</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">There is that, but it might be a road away from ignorance and away from bigotry, and solves street fights and war.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">>…<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">As for forms, I have no idea what is current, but most of the forms I see, census, hospital, have places for religions</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">Hmmm, OK. I haven’t seen that in decades.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">>…<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> I would guess that no businesses do this anymore</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">Not if they don’t want to get the pants sued offa them.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">>…<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> Who else? No idea</span>…<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">bill w</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">I have lived in California so long, I have forgotten how the rest of the world operates.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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