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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Sill<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] socialism<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 9:33 PM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>>…That works out to about a decade of study and then you have to pass a nationwide examination. And it's not just every country in Europe, people in Japan, Australia, Singapore, South Korea, Canada, New Zealand and even Costa Rica <span class=gmaildefault>also</span> live longer than those in the USA and they all pay <b>dramatically</b> less for health care. If one if looking at the situation with a disinterested logical eye <span class=gmaildefault>there</span> is <span class=gmaildefault>just </span>no explaining away the obvious fact that the USA has the most inefficient health care system in the world, I mean... I value libertarian ideology but I value the scientific method even more and facts are facts. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>…You seem to think that the goal of health care is longer life but longevity is more about healthy living than it is about medical treatments. I think medicine in the US is expensive because medical insurers, medical corporations, and congress have, probably intentionally, worked together to make it a profit center. Drug makers don't benefit from cures, they benefit from keeping people on expensive prescriptions. Doctors get kickbacks for prescribing them. Congressmen no doubt get legal and illegal kickbacks, too. Dave<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt'>I don’t see where they take cosmetic surgery into account either. Americans spent more money on that than life extension.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>