<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 10:46 PM Dan TheBookMan <<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com">danust2012@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>What I object to is coercion (both public and private) — as should be clear by now. That’s a radical libertarian view which both you and Spike seem immune to.</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">I still take the radical libertarian view when it comes to freedom of the press and most social issues (abortion, drugs, sexual stuff, euthanasia etc) but when you try to extend that to money matters it leads to a very unstable society that simply doesn't work. And advances in technology will only make it worse. You can't live a libertarian life if all your neighbors hate your guts, wants to kill you, and has the means to do so. </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">><i> </i></span><i>However, I was responding to the view that the US has an inefficient for lack of government involvement.</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">I would maintain it is not a view it is a fact that there are 30 governments in countries all over the world that involve themselves more in healthcare than the USA does and yet they pay less than half as much and they live longer. I want to ask you a very important question, do you think the scientific method is even more important than libertarian ideology? If you don't then I'm wasting my time giving examples in support of my position. </font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Or it seemed like that was the implication here. (I’m also guessing that in the run up to the 02020 election, you’re shilling for the view the Democrat candidate seems like to support. </i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">If the Democrats have any brains they certainly should support that idea but in all honesty when I look at the only alternative I admit I intend to vote for any functional adult that <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">the </span>Democrats care to nominate and will do so with great enthusiasm. </font><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>So, again my guess, is this is less about the healthcare system than defeating you know who.</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">D</span>earie me<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> I can't imagine what gentleman you could be referring to.</span></font><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Again, the radical position here would be: abolish the presidency along with the rest of the state — and all states included not just here but across the globe</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">For a long time I thought abolishing all government everywhere would be a good idea too but then I came to the conclusion I was being silly. I still think if we were starting from year zero when the human race first learned to tame fire that would be the way to go but we are NOT starting from year zero and, unless there is a total thermonuclear war, states around the world are simply NOT going to be abolished before the 2020 election or even much before the technological singularity so it's just silly to talk about it as if it were an option.</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> John K Clark</span><br></font><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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