<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:49 AM, <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com">spike@rainier66.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="WordSection1"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan TheBookMan<br><br><b><o:p></o:p></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] socialism<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">They haven’t been granted refugee status in the US. They have in Mexico.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">See above. Let me put this another way: What is _morally_ wrong with them coming to the US? <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dan<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Dan, the real problem is that if the US takes in all the caravanners, the Central and South American governments can put their prisoners in with the others. These governments will share the information with Mexico (so the felons among the caravanners will not apply for asylum in Mexico (knowing that they will be found out there (for the southern nations do not wish to damage relations with their neighbors (who would react by stopping all immigration from the south (and mean it))))) but not share the same information with the US customs. This would enable nations to empty their expensive prisons into someone else’s country. This cannot end well.</p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br><style><!--
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--></style><div>Do you have any evidence that this is likely to happen? These caravans seem very unlike the Mariel boatlift of 1980. (They’re also much smaller in size — two orders of magnitude smaller, I think — though you could argue were a more open policy adopted they might become larger.) </div><div><br></div><div>Also, the Central American nations they're fleeing from <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador... The former two are US client states. I doubt they’re doing anything where the US government doesn’t have some influence. Recall the US involvement in the civil war in Guatemala. Honduras has been a longtime US ally too. I doubt they’d both cozy up to Mexico more than to the big global power which has steadfastly supported their elites. Of course, in international affairs alliances can change, but the scenario you paint seems not to be the case. (And I’m not even bringing up that Mexico is also more or less a US client state. As someone once point out, the US empire thrives on amnesia.)</span></div><div><br></div><div>Let me put the question another way: Do you have any moral issues with peaceful people peacefully crossing national borders?</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="line-height: normal;"><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> Sample my Kindle books at:</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="http://author.to/DanUst">http://author.to/DanUst</a></span></p></div></div></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"></div></div></div></div></body></html>