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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] puzzle III<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>>…<span style='color:black'>Nuclear waste seems a problem to some. I say put it in containers and drop in the deepest part of the ocean where even if it eventually bursts it will disperse over a large area</span>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>BillW, the reason this isn’t done now is not because it isn’t safe but rather because nuclear waste still contains plenty of energy. If we drop it into the sea, it is too hard to retrieve once we figure out an economically feasible way to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>>…<span style='color:black'>It is unfortunate that our first contact with nuclear things was with enormous bombs</span>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Ja that and all the corny Sci-Fi from the 40s and 50s of radioactive waste in the sea causing enormous creatures to emerge, looking for cities to devour.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>>…<span style='color:black'> Obviously 'nuclear' scares most people, many of whom don't know that two counties over there's a big plant</span>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>It is surprising how few people realize that nuclear power already supplies 20-ish percent of our demand.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>>…<span style='color:black'>Trivia question: why do the nuclear plants need such a gigantic chimney to let go of water vapor?<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>bill w<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>This isn’t question at all, but rather a perfectly reasonable engineering question.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Some traditional power plants use that kind of cooling system. That iconic hourglass shape takes advantage of physics. The boiler (can be coal fired, natural gas, or nuclear) boils and superheats water into steam, the steam turns a turbine generating power, then you need to condense the water vapor back into liquid water in order to compress it and send it back to the boiler. It takes a lotta lotta heat transfer to get the steam back to water.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Sooo… condenser coils inside that big tower, water is sprayed on the condensers, that water turns to steam and creates those big puffy white clouds that come out of the tower, and as those puffy white clouds come out the top, it draws in cool air from the bottom, which rises up, encounters hot wet condenser coils, up it goes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>The hourglass tower is expensive, but it is highly efficient.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:13 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ja, I could have explained that better.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Think of the condoms as having two surfaces and label them. The first sailor wears condom AB inside and CD over that.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Once you figure out the harlot has to contact surface D with all three of her employers, it isn’t hard to work out the details where sailor 2 is the only one of the three to use only one condom, contacting surface C. The third sailor contacts (clean) surface B, while contaminated surface A touches contaminated surface C, and surface D contacts the harlot for the third time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>BillW, regarding your nuclear post: nuke power gets more attractive all the time from an strictly environmental point of view. It doesn’t generate greenhouse gas, there is plenty of fuel, it doesn’t require huge swaths of deforestation or interfere with desert creatures. Over time, more and more conservationists are warming to the idea. I am a conservationist myself: it is easy to see the endgame of fossil fuels. It isn’t because of emitting too much carbon dioxide really. It is because the global bad guys have too much of it, and over time, charge more and more for it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 6, 2019 10:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] puzzle III<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I just am having a bad day and am not following the answers.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Sailor 1 uses two condoms.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Sailor 2 uses the condom on the outside as used by sailor 1.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Sailor 3 inverts the inner condom as used by Sailor 1 and puts the Sailor 2 condom over it.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>The idea is that the prostitute cannot catch her own disease again. Adrian, I will take your word for it. Spike I am having trouble following your diagram, but if you think it compatible with the answer above, well and good.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>You were going to reply to my nuclear power plant post- just reminding you.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>bill w</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 12:51 AM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> On Behalf Of Adrian Tymes<br>Subject: Re: [ExI] puzzle III<br><br>Wouldn't the first sailor have already dirtied the inner condom's inner layer by the time the second sailor uses it? Which means either the prostitute or the second sailor might get what the first had... Adrian<br><br><br>No. Label the surfaces according to who it touches.<br><br>Surface A touches sailor 1<br>B touches C<br>D touches harlot.<br><br>OK he's done, removes harlot-side condom, sets aside, removes sailor-side condom, sets that aside.<br><br>Second sailor uses condom CD puts his stuff in contact with surface C.<br>C touches sailor 2<br>D touches harlot.<br><br>OK he's done.<br><br>Third sailor inverts condom AB<br><br>B touches sailor 3<br>A touches surface C<br>D touches harlot.<br><br>OK he's done, everybody goes home with no new diseases.<br><br>spike<br><br>On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 8:01 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> OK got it.<br>><br>><br>><br>> First sailor uses both condoms. Sets outer condom aside.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Second sailor inverts inner condom and uses just the one. Harlot gets two clean surfaces.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Third sailor (presumably the lowest ranking) takes first condom without inverting and uses just the one, touching a surface which the harlot has previously contacted with the first sailor.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Nobody catches anything new. Or rather not that particular day.<br>><br>><br>><br>> spike<br>><br>><br>><br>> From: extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> On Behalf <br>> Of Adrian Tymes<br>> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 6:45 PM<br>> To: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [ExI] puzzle III<br>><br>><br>><br>> My second and third solutions still work with that clarification.<br>><br>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 4:23 PM William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>><br>> OK you cheaters, as inventive as you are (and I am impressed), revise the puzzle to require: female prostitute; sailors all male; all three sailors have sex with the woman. Four different STDs. Hint available...<br>><br>><br>><br>> bill w<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 4:41 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 1:22 PM William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>><br>> OK, I struck out with that puzzle. Here's one I ran across a long time ago, so you might have heard it. If not, let me know.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Three sailors and one prostitute and two condoms. All have different STDs.<br>><br>><br>><br>> bill w<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> One of the sailors is also the prostitute (side business.) They first guy uses the first condom to do the second guy, pays him or her, third guy uses second condom to do the second guy, pays him or her, all three report for duty aboard ship the next day.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Alternate solution: all three sailors are female and whore is male. So the first sailor puts a condom on him, does him, pays him, second sailor puts second condom over first, does him, pays him, third sailor reverses outer condom which would have exposed her to the first sailor’s disease but she gets away uninfected because the whore can’t get it going a third time, so she doesn’t pay him and saves money at the same time. The puzzle doesn’t actually require that all three sailors get laid. Three is a tall order ja? Even for a professional.<br>><br>><br>><br>> spike<br>><br>><br>><br>> From: extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> On Behalf <br>> Of Adrian Tymes<br>> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:34 PM<br>> To: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [ExI] puzzle III<br>><br>><br>><br>> Three possibly-cheating solutions:<br>><br>><br>><br>> 1) They never met. All 6 got their STDs from different sources.<br>><br>><br>><br>> 2) Not all STDs transmit at 100%. It is possible for two people with STDs to have sex and not give each other what they got.<br>><br>><br>><br>> 3) "All" does not include the condoms. Sailors 1 & 2 had STDs, used condoms, and did not transmit. The prostitute and sailor 3 were disease-free when they had sex sans condom. Sailor 3 then used a dirty needle or otherwise got a STD from a non-sexual source. 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