<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"> intelligence theories can be tested </span><span class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">but </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">consciousness theories can't be,  John Clark</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">OH?  And why is that?    Before you reply, I"ll say this:  everything depends on the definitions.  bill w</span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 4:04 PM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:52 PM Will Steinberg <<a href="mailto:steinberg.will@gmail.com" target="_blank">steinberg.will@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Nothing left to figure out?  What about what consciousness is and how it fits into physics? </div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><font size="4"><span style="line-height:1.5">I'll be damned if I know <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">what t</span>hat that has to do with the existence or <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">non-</span>existence </span><span style="line-height:1.5">of ET but I'd be FAR more interested in figuring out how intelligence works than figuring <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">out </span>consciousness because intelligence theories can be tested <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">but </span>consciousness theories can't be,</span></font><br><i><br></i><div><span style="line-height:1.5"> </span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="line-height:1.5"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Or what the universe is, why it's expanding, or why there appears to be so much more matter that we can see?  Does none of that warrant an explanation?</i></span></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">None of those mysteries have a satisfactory explanation but the lack of evidence of ET activity does and the explanation has the virtue of being simple and short, ET doesn't exist. Under some circumstances the absence of evidence is evidence of absence<span class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">, for example there is no evidence a china teapot is in orbit around Uranus and that is good reason to think such a utensil does not exist.   </font></span></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><span style="line-height:27px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><span style="line-height:27px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> John K Clark</span><br></span></font><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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