<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Rafal, you are stereotyping, just like the person you are attacking.  I am a left/liberal/progressive - moderately so - and I don't believe in any of those things you ascribe to liberals.  You are referring to upper East Ivy League school far leftists and I am against them just as much as you are.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 6:36 AM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 5:30 AM Rafal Smigrodzki <<a href="mailto:rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>></span>Anti-environmentalism generally.</font></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>### So it's anti-scientific to be a humanist, someone who sees value in humans, and not in the "environment"?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">All right wingers are clowns on environmental issues and most left wingers are too but there are a few serious people, Stewart Brand comes to mind.  </font></font><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span></div></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>> </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:q_serif,Georgia,Times,"Times New Roman","Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro",Meiryo,serif"><font size="4">Exaggerated claims about fetal development.</font></span></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>### The faithful believe fetuses have souls,</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">Forget fetuses, the faithful believe one celled zygotes have soles and the morning after pill is murder, paradoxically they also believe souls are immortal and and most believe that a soul that has left this life before sinning goes to heaven, although some believe if unbaptised it will be tortured for eternity by an all loving God. </font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">I went to a religious grade school and was told it was wrong to kill a person but OK to kill an animal because the person has an immortal soul but the animal didn't;  I remember asking why that didn't mean it was more immoral to kill a amamal than a person because unlike the person this life was all the animal had but was hooted down with derision by the class before I got an answer to my question.</font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:q_serif,Georgia,Times,"Times New Roman","Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro",Meiryo,serif;font-size:15px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Rejection of epidemiology as it pertains to sex, pregnancy, and sexually transmitted disease</span><br></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:q_serif,Georgia,Times,"Times New Roman","Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro",Meiryo,serif;font-size:15px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>### Right wingers claim that homosexuality and promiscuity do not contribute to the risk of STDs, don't they?</span><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> <span style="font-family:Roboto;font-size:16.8px">“<i>legitimate rape rarely causes pregnancy because the female body has ways of shutting that down</i>.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Roboto;font-size:16.8px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Republican </span></span><span style="font-family:Roboto;font-size:16.8px">Senator Todd Akin<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">  August 19 2012</span></span></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:q_serif,Georgia,Times,"Times New Roman","Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro",Meiryo,serif;font-size:15px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>></span>Supply-side economics, if you count economics as a science.</span></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>### Because central planning and the 5 year plan are scientific?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">Right wingers ignore the scientific method and the OVERWHELMING evidence that other countries provide much better health care to their citizens than the USA and spend much much less money than the USA when doing so, and continue to believe and, being totally impervious to contrary evidence, will always believe the USA has the best health care system in the world and we can learn absolutely nothing from anybody else about this.  </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">In short both sides do the same unscientific thing, they use political ideology to determine what must be true and how to solve social problems and only then go looking for evidence that supports their view while carefully ignoring any evidence that contradicts it.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div><div><br></div><br>
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