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<div>Hello, I dont think I've been on the extropian mailinglist since 2000. I go back into the archives and I'm startled to see a highschool version of me predicting things that have now occurred. I was quite amused to see I actually built some of the things I speculated about regarding virtual reality and augmented reality. Anyone else out there still from back in the day or has everyone moved on?</div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 11:28:06 PM EST, extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org <extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Send extropy-chat mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat-owner@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat-owner@lists.extropy.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir="ltr">than "Re: Contents of extropy-chat digest..."<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Today's Topics:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> 1. Re: snakes in the toilet (<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 2. Re: ExI] are we publishing? (Dave Sill)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 3. Re: Enlightenment at Last, was "are we publishing?" (John Clark)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 4. progress toward proof of riemann hypothesis claimed<br></div><div dir="ltr"> (<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 5. Re: snakes in the toilet (William Flynn Wallace)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 6. more liu (William Flynn Wallace)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 7. Re: ExI] are we publishing? (<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 8. Re: ExI] are we publishing? (William Flynn Wallace)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 9. Re: ExI] are we publishing? (Dan TheBookMan)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 10. Re: ExI] are we publishing? (<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 10:11:54 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "'ExI chat list'" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [ExI] snakes in the toilet<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <004801d51641$9d980a50$d8c81ef0$@rainier66.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a> <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 9:33 AM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: 'ExI chat list' <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: snakes in the toilet<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sheesh check this:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/coral-springs/fl-ne-coral-springs" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/coral-springs/fl-ne-coral-springs</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">-snake-attack-20190528-togijbdkvvgspd2nfjptngzsh4-story.html<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>.We would spawn an industry, retrofitting existing toilets: a 3D printed<br></div><div dir="ltr">thing that would fit in the bottom of a standard toilet. etc. spike<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Hey wait I have a better idea. We might be able to come up with a kind of<br></div><div dir="ltr">device which wouldn't require removal of the toilet to install it. A rubber<br></div><div dir="ltr">ring would compress enough to go in thru the top, have it on a kind of<br></div><div dir="ltr">flexible wand, down it goes, done.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Wait, even better: a kind of motion detector which would trigger when the<br></div><div dir="ltr">snake diode closed or even if it sensed some goddam thing down there was<br></div><div dir="ltr">trying to sneak past it, coming up for dinner. It could signal a very loud<br></div><div dir="ltr">warning kinda like those cockpit ground sensor things that go PULL UP WHOOP<br></div><div dir="ltr">WHOOP PULL UP and hey, we could just use that as the warning sound.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">We could come up with a cutesy name for it such as GYAOTT, and you don't<br></div><div dir="ltr">even need to offer that it is the acronym for get your ass off that toilet.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The proles would figure it out, and it would become an international word,<br></div><div dir="ltr">since plenty of places in the world have a bigger problem with snakes in the<br></div><div dir="ltr">toilet that we do.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Then there is the after-market. We could sell a device which would set off<br></div><div dir="ltr">the GYAOTT by remote control. House guest brother-in-law staying too long,<br></div><div dir="ltr">get him a little stoned, middle of the night, detector indicates he just sat<br></div><div dir="ltr">down, you hit a switch, PULL UP WHOOP WHOOP etc, oh that would be such fun,<br></div><div dir="ltr">a kick in the ass, we will make a buttload on the secondary market alone.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">spike <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/5b102748/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/5b102748/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 2<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 13:12:20 -0400<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Dave Sill <<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Spike Jones <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [ExI] ExI] are we publishing?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAM5aL2dxykzjSjNazcs89wYu3_hkDPjGUDZWru+<a href="mailto:EVo_2t-1qfw@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">EVo_2t-1qfw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:17 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Dave, if it is physically possible to enable (by any means, technological,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> bribery or religion-based miracle) privilege elevation, and do so without<br></div><div dir="ltr">> detection, then that server was set up incorrectly.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It would be nice if reality was that black and white and perfect security<br></div><div dir="ltr">was achievable and usable, but that's not the case. There are a wide range<br></div><div dir="ltr">of hardware, firmware, and software bugs that can be exploited to elevate<br></div><div dir="ltr">privileges. Even if a sysadmin knew of all of them that were known, that<br></div><div dir="ltr">doesn't mean that there are fixes available for them, and, more<br></div><div dir="ltr">importantly, there are still going to be exploitable bugs that aren't<br></div><div dir="ltr">known: they call them zero-day vulnerabilities.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> It is analogous to a bank vault left hanging open and all the employees<br></div><div dir="ltr">> going out to lunch simultaneously. If someone wanders in off the street,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> sees, hauls away a coupla sacks of money undetected, that is considered an<br></div><div dir="ltr">> inside job.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">No, it's more like a skilled bank robber is able pick the bank's door lock<br></div><div dir="ltr">and use a weakness in the vault lock to unlock it.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">OK then. Bank people and licensed SysAdmins are trained how to not let<br></div><div dir="ltr">> that happen.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sysadmins aren't licensed. I've been one for the US Navy and Dept. of<br></div><div dir="ltr">Energy for 30+ years. For the most part, sysadmins aren't even trained. My<br></div><div dir="ltr">BS in Computer Science included 0 hours of system administration and 0<br></div><div dir="ltr">hours of computer security. There are lots of certifications these days,<br></div><div dir="ltr">but employers, including mine, are slow to require them or pay for<br></div><div dir="ltr">employees to attain them.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> If somehow someone does elevate privilege and start downloading stuff<br></div><div dir="ltr">> somehow, the SysAdmin would at least know something is going wrong. If she<br></div><div dir="ltr">> doesn?t know and the bad guy does get away with the data undetected, that<br></div><div dir="ltr">> is an inside job, and she (the SysAdmin) is in trouble deep.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Nope. I know such things *shouldn't* happen, but they do. Often sysadmins<br></div><div dir="ltr">aren't able to do things they want to do, security wise, that their bosses<br></div><div dir="ltr">won't permit or fund.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I am not a SysAdmin, and my limited experience in that area is nearly 40<br></div><div dir="ltr">> years old (DEC 11-750 mainframe) but even way back then, we knew about data<br></div><div dir="ltr">> theft and we knew what precautions were in place to prevent it.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">IT is *vastly* more complicated than it was 40 years ago. For example, if<br></div><div dir="ltr">you've got an Intel processor, you're probably vulnerable to a series of<br></div><div dir="ltr">bugs that can't be fixed by software or reconfiguration (Spectre/Meltdown<br></div><div dir="ltr">and other branch prediction bugs).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">For starters, you would set up with a low-speed data line. So even if you<br></div><div dir="ltr">> did have a crooked insider attempts to steal data, they wouldn?t get much<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and she would find out forthwith.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Until the first user complains that upload/downloads are taking too long,<br></div><div dir="ltr">and if they've got gigabit n/w to their house, how come the servers are<br></div><div dir="ltr">limited to KB/s?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I'm not saying that in this particular case there's nothing the sysadmin<br></div><div dir="ltr">could have done to prevent the breach. I'm saying we don't know how<br></div><div dir="ltr">responsible he is for the system's exploitability,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-Dave<br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/0cc1898e/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/0cc1898e/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 3<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 13:20:59 -0400<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [ExI] Enlightenment at Last, was "are we publishing?"<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAJPayv1H2wzfMSh73UNwUZvEY=<a href="mailto:XrUo4uhXzhsEfPjzewgoAdPQ@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">XrUo4uhXzhsEfPjzewgoAdPQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 4:25 PM Jeff Davis <<a href="mailto:jrd1415@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jrd1415@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*> I'm somewhat puzzled as to what it is about our president that's caused<br></div><div dir="ltr">> you to go all loopy loopy. *<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">There are 2 things about Trump that make me go all loopy loopy.<br></div><div dir="ltr">#1)Trump strongly disagrees with Richard Feynman's statement<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">"*reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be<br></div><div dir="ltr">fooled*"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Trump thinks that if he wants something to be true hard enough then it is.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Trump wants his inaugural crowd to be the largest ever so it was. Trump<br></div><div dir="ltr">wants vaccinations to cause autism so it does. Trump wants the climate not<br></div><div dir="ltr">to be changing so it isn't. Trump wants Iran to violate its nuclear treaty<br></div><div dir="ltr">so it has. Trump wants North Korean leader Kim Jong-un to be a existential<br></div><div dir="ltr">threat to the USA so he is. Trump changes his mind and in his own words<br></div><div dir="ltr">"fell in love" with Kim Jong-un so now he's of no threat to anyone.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">#2) Trump lies.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">All politicians lie from time to time but the machine gun rate the lies<br></div><div dir="ltr">come out of Trump's pie hole in a typical speech is something new. And<br></div><div dir="ltr">what really makes me mad is he doesn't even think we're worth the time to dream<br></div><div dir="ltr">up a good lie, his lies are transparent and ridiculous and beloved by his<br></div><div dir="ltr">fellow fascists at his Nuremberg style rallies. On April 27 2019 Trump<br></div><div dir="ltr">passed a milestone, on that day he told his 10,000'th lie since becoming<br></div><div dir="ltr">president.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Fact-checking Trump<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-trump-on-pace-for-22500-lies-before-election-day-fact-checking-isnt-enough/2019/04/30/f54bb35e-6b6a-11e9-8f44-e8d8bb1df986_story.html?utm_term=.1c2ea954910a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-trump-on-pace-for-22500-lies-before-election-day-fact-checking-isnt-enough/2019/04/30/f54bb35e-6b6a-11e9-8f44-e8d8bb1df986_story.html?utm_term=.1c2ea954910a</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">And far from slowing down the rate is accelerating, during the last seven<br></div><div dir="ltr">months he has told on average 23 lies a day, that works out to one publicly<br></div><div dir="ltr">utter lie every 42 waking minutes. John Lester is a professional bookmaker<br></div><div dir="ltr">at BookMaker.eu and he set odds that Trump will tell at least 22,500 lies<br></div><div dir="ltr">by election day 2020. By the way Lester got into trouble recently by<br></div><div dir="ltr">underestimating the number of lies Trump would tell in a recent 8 minute<br></div><div dir="ltr">speech. Lester set the odds at -145 for more than 3.5 lies and +115 for<br></div><div dir="ltr">less than 3.5 lies. For example if you bet $145 that Trump would lie at<br></div><div dir="ltr">least four times you would win $100. But if turned out Trump told 6 lies<br></div><div dir="ltr">(one lie every 80 seconds) and BookMaker.eu lost $270,000 as a result.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Gamblers Made $270,000 Betting That Trump Would Lie A LOT<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ev3eq7/people-bet-on-how-much-trump-would-lie-address-make-270000-vgtrn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ev3eq7/people-bet-on-how-much-trump-would-lie-address-make-270000-vgtrn</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> *Lately there's been a bit of hysteria over the possibility -- a low<br></div><div dir="ltr">> probability in my view -- that notwithstanding the 22nd amendment, the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Trumpinator might want to stick around as the White House resident after<br></div><div dir="ltr">> January 2025. *<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Forget January 2025 and think about January 2021. Even if Trump loses in a<br></div><div dir="ltr">landslide in the 2020 election I would say there is a 40% chance he will<br></div><div dir="ltr">say the election was fake and try to stay in office long after January 2021<br></div><div dir="ltr">and claim he will reschedule a new election at some vague unspecified<br></div><div dir="ltr">future date. And if there is a inverse of the 2016 situation and Trump wins<br></div><div dir="ltr">the popular vote but loses in the Electoral College I think it's virtually<br></div><div dir="ltr">certain he will need to be dragged out of the Oval Office by armed guards.<br></div><div dir="ltr">I don't know if his attempt to become dictator will be successful but even<br></div><div dir="ltr">if he fails it will be ugly, such a power grab will lead to blood literally<br></div><div dir="ltr">flowing in the streets.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*> First, let me say I don't really personally see how that would be a<br></div><div dir="ltr">> problem. Many people consider Franklin Roosevelt to have been a great<br></div><div dir="ltr">> president, so I don't really understand why, except perhaps out of<br></div><div dir="ltr">> political jealousy, one would want to prematurely terminate a good thing.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> But that's just me. *<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I'm curious, 52% of Republicans say they would be OK with it if Trump<br></div><div dir="ltr">canceled the 2020 election, do you agree with 52% of Republicans?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> * > About eight or so years ago you fiercely declared the impossibility of<br></div><div dir="ltr">> free will. *<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I don't think I ever said Free Will is impossible, I said free will is an<br></div><div dir="ltr">idea so bad it's not even wrong. A Perpetual Motion Machine is impossible<br></div><div dir="ltr">but a Klogknee Machine is not impossible, a Klogknee Machine is gibberish<br></div><div dir="ltr">and so is Free Will. Gibberish is neither true nor false, it's just<br></div><div dir="ltr">gibberish.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> > *every spiritual being instinctively recognizes that life itself,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> subjective experience itself, clearly, self-evidently, proves the existence<br></div><div dir="ltr">> of free will.*<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I don't agree with that and I don't disagree with it either, I don't know<br></div><div dir="ltr">what the hell it means.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> > *The universe has features that transcend mere logic,*<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">That must be why you're a Trump fan, I'd be one too but I sorta like logic.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> John K Clark<br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/7b566854/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/7b566854/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 4<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 11:43:23 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "'ExI chat list'" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [ExI] progress toward proof of riemann hypothesis claimed<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <009401d5164e$65b97210$312c5630$@rainier66.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">My inbox has been buzzing about this for the last several days:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/05/20/1902572116" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/05/20/1902572116</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Tragic that I know so little about the Riemann zeta function. It is wicked<br></div><div dir="ltr">cool, and if his hypothesis is not true, mathematics is screwed profoundly.<br></div><div dir="ltr">It is a profound tragedy that in this critical moment, what little remaining<br></div><div dir="ltr">brain power I have is distracted by schemes to play gags on my<br></div><div dir="ltr">brother-in-law by rigging a GYAOTT snake detector on the guest-room toilet<br></div><div dir="ltr">(oh dear, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Have we any Riemann gurus among us who wish to comment? (On the hypothesis<br></div><div dir="ltr">I mean, not the GYAOTT.)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">spike<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/6ad160b8/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/6ad160b8/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 5<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 16:30:39 -0500<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [ExI] snakes in the toilet<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAO+xQEa+CqTnhdpGTOGhxx4gaBREm9jSwaBFLi1i9LtG07=<a href="mailto:KsQ@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">KsQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Or - a remote-controlled bidet. When to trigger it may be a problem<br></div><div dir="ltr">without remote cameras or the sensor you mentioned. So, in other words, we<br></div><div dir="ltr">need some things beyond the law to make this really effective for an<br></div><div dir="ltr">audience. Hearing shrieks is not enough. We want pictures. Oh well.<br></div><div dir="ltr">bill w<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:14 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> *From:* <a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a> <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2019 9:33 AM<br></div><div dir="ltr">> *To:* 'ExI chat list' <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">> *Subject:* snakes in the toilet<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Sheesh check this:<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/coral-springs/fl-ne-coral-springs-snake-attack-20190528-togijbdkvvgspd2nfjptngzsh4-story.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/coral-springs/fl-ne-coral-springs-snake-attack-20190528-togijbdkvvgspd2nfjptngzsh4-story.html</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> >?We would spawn an industry, retrofitting existing toilets: a 3D printed<br></div><div dir="ltr">> thing that would fit in the bottom of a standard toilet? etc. spike<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Hey wait I have a better idea. We might be able to come up with a kind of<br></div><div dir="ltr">> device which wouldn?t require removal of the toilet to install it. A<br></div><div dir="ltr">> rubber ring would compress enough to go in thru the top, have it on a kind<br></div><div dir="ltr">> of flexible wand, down it goes, done.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Wait, even better: a kind of motion detector which would trigger when the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> snake diode closed or even if it sensed some goddam thing down there was<br></div><div dir="ltr">> trying to sneak past it, coming up for dinner. It could signal a very loud<br></div><div dir="ltr">> warning kinda like those cockpit ground sensor things that go PULL UP WHOOP<br></div><div dir="ltr">> WHOOP PULL UP and hey, we could just use that as the warning sound.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> We could come up with a cutesy name for it such as GYAOTT, and you don?t<br></div><div dir="ltr">> even need to offer that it is the acronym for get your ass off that<br></div><div dir="ltr">> toilet.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> The proles would figure it out, and it would become an international word,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> since plenty of places in the world have a bigger problem with snakes in<br></div><div dir="ltr">> the toilet that we do.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Then there is the after-market. We could sell a device which would set<br></div><div dir="ltr">> off the GYAOTT by remote control. House guest brother-in-law staying too<br></div><div dir="ltr">> long, get him a little stoned, middle of the night, detector indicates he<br></div><div dir="ltr">> just sat down, you hit a switch, PULL UP WHOOP WHOOP etc, oh that would be<br></div><div dir="ltr">> such fun, a kick in the ass, we will make a buttload on the secondary<br></div><div dir="ltr">> market alone.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> spike<br></div><div dir="ltr">> _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">> extropy-chat mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/8b3e3066/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/8b3e3066/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 6<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 16:44:07 -0500<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [ExI] more liu<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAO+xQEaiqi=OjvGkjwhffxzVhMkCC_cubdBDDh0n+<a href="mailto:SCiYZVEiA@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SCiYZVEiA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Book of short stories by Cixin Liu:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The Wandering Earth (not just earth-shaking, but Earth moving)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">bill w<br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/8e098cec/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/8e098cec/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 7<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 16:48:46 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "'Dave Sill'" <<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: "'ExI chat list'" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [ExI] ExI] are we publishing?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <000f01d51679$0e706b00$2b514100$@rainier66.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Greetings fellow journalists,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It?s weird on multiple levels. I am watching the simmering debate on Julian Assange. In the USA, we tend to extend US Constitutional rights to foreign nationals in many cases, so they don?t really quite know what to do with that whole freedom of the press/speech business. I see some arguing that Assange is not a real journalist, so freedom of the press doesn?t apply to him. But I see nothing in that first amendment that says anything about journalists. That word isn?t even there. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">So I look around for a definition of the term journalist, and if there is some kind of professional license or something (there isn?t.) But I see posters here and there say things about ?recognized journalist? so, well OK then. Can we all recognize each other as journalists? Can this forum become a journalists? hangout? Then if so, are we extended all US first amendment rights? <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">spike<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/0db3b9f3/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/0db3b9f3/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 8<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 19:42:17 -0500<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [ExI] ExI] are we publishing?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAO+<a href="mailto:xQEam7A6tb4BzZLgcG03tChVa0aSwcCRNuewv-VynKAnPcw@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">xQEam7A6tb4BzZLgcG03tChVa0aSwcCRNuewv-VynKAnPcw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> Can this forum become a journalists? hangout? Then if so, are we extended<br></div><div dir="ltr">all US first amendment rights?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">spike<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Yeah. Just what is the 'press'? No license. No degree necessary. No<br></div><div dir="ltr">sense necessary.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">And maybe someone can explain what rights are in the press part of the<br></div><div dir="ltr">second amendment that aren't covered in the first? When the Bill of Rights<br></div><div dir="ltr">was written, probably they did not think of writing as speech, but if<br></div><div dir="ltr">burning flags is speech, then written material should be too. Gang?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">bill w<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">bill w<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 6:51 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Greetings fellow journalists,<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> It?s weird on multiple levels. I am watching the simmering debate on<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Julian Assange. In the USA, we tend to extend US Constitutional rights to<br></div><div dir="ltr">> foreign nationals in many cases, so they don?t really quite know what to do<br></div><div dir="ltr">> with that whole freedom of the press/speech business. I see some arguing<br></div><div dir="ltr">> that Assange is not a real journalist, so freedom of the press doesn?t<br></div><div dir="ltr">> apply to him. But I see nothing in that first amendment that says anything<br></div><div dir="ltr">> about journalists. That word isn?t even there.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> So I look around for a definition of the term journalist, and if there is<br></div><div dir="ltr">> some kind of professional license or something (there isn?t.) But I see<br></div><div dir="ltr">> posters here and there say things about ?recognized journalist? so, well OK<br></div><div dir="ltr">> then. Can we all recognize each other as journalists? Can this forum<br></div><div dir="ltr">> become a journalists? hangout? Then if so, are we extended all US first<br></div><div dir="ltr">> amendment rights?<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> spike<br></div><div dir="ltr">> _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">> extropy-chat mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/62046224/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/62046224/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 9<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 18:11:20 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Dan TheBookMan <<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">danust2012@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [ExI] ExI] are we publishing?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:3AC3489A-11C5-4F59-8325-775017A3C216@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3AC3489A-11C5-4F59-8325-775017A3C216@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On May 29, 2019, at 5:42 PM, William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Can this forum become a journalists? hangout? Then if so, are we extended all US first amendment rights? <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> spike<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Yeah. Just what is the 'press'? No license. No degree necessary. No sense necessary. <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> And maybe someone can explain what rights are in the press part of the second amendment that aren't covered in the first? When the Bill of Rights was written, probably they did not think of writing as speech, but if burning flags is speech, then written material should be too. Gang?<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> bill w<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Look at the text of the First Amendment.... It already covers both freedom of speech and of the press. Also, don?t you think they had both publications ? books, newspapers, pamphlets, handbills, etc. ? and public oratory back then? It?s not like the Amendment was written in a society where only a tiny number of professionals wrote and read and never ever spoke to each other.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Of course, the interpretation of the text is a different matter, though most arguments limiting free expression have been more about either social mores (obscenity restrictions) or national security than about what the nature of expression is as such. (The idiotic ?crying fire in a theater? argument is a bit different, though it was used to cover national security: to limit antiwar protest when the US entered WW1 and not to protect theatergoers. Notably, theaters (and fires in them) weren?t a Twentieth Century innovation.) Or at least that?s my belief. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Regards,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Dan<br></div><div dir="ltr"> Sample my Kindle books at:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://author.to/DanUst" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://author.to/DanUst</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/1f58a685/attachment-0001.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/1f58a685/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 10<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 21:14:08 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "'ExI chat list'" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [ExI] ExI] are we publishing?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <005001d5169e$20ebdd30$62c39790$@rainier66.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> On Behalf Of Dan TheBookMan<br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [ExI] ExI] are we publishing?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On May 29, 2019, at 5:42 PM, William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>>> ?Can this forum become a journalists? hangout? Then if so, are we extended all US first amendment rights?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">spike<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>>?Yeah. Just what is the 'press'? No license. No degree necessary. No sense necessary?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">bill w<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>?Look at the text of the First Amendment.... It already covers both freedom of speech and of the press?Regards, Dan<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It is too easy to imagine the outcome of this situation: <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">OK so we will burn Assange, since he published all that national security stuff and wasn?t really even a journalist. It really shouldn?t set a precedent. Publishing national security stuff is bad, and the New York Times, well, OK we will burn them too, but only when they do the political stuff, and perhaps the Washington Post and maybe the LA Times. Newsweek of course publishes stuff they shouldn?t. And Time magazine, but they are way past their prime and CNN, MSNBC and a few others hafta be taught a lesson. Those guys have all published stuff sensitive to national security, claiming to be journalists, but in any case we got that bad old Julian Assange, did we not? We got him! And we cleaned up the airwaves and internet while we were at it, cut right on down with that old fake news problem and the national security problem, solved that.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">spike<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/84d0b324/attachment.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20190529/84d0b324/attachment.htm</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Digest Footer<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">extropy-chat mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">End of extropy-chat Digest, Vol 188, Issue 21<br></div><div dir="ltr">*********************************************<br></div></div>
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