<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">John,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,176,80)">“For example, would
the subjective experience of somebody who saw the world in black and white be
different from somebody who saw the world in red and black? I don't think it
would although we'll never know for sure.</span>”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I hear you saying something very different
(redness vs whiteness) is not different?
It could still function the same, is that what you mean? Because it would be very qualitatively
different, right? as it is very different in these <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YnTMoU2LKER78bjVJsGkxMsSwvhpPBJZvp9e2oJX9GA/edit?usp=sharing" style="color:blue">3
functionally equivalent robots that are qualitatively very different</a>?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And of course, your claim <span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">“we’ll never know for sure.”</span> is certainly a
falsifiable claim. Everyone supporting “<a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Representational-Qualia/6#statement" style="color:blue">Representational
Qualia Theory</a>” is predicting these claims will soon be falsified, once
experimentalists stop being qualia blind.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And thanks Dylan for pointing out
that red green color blind “bichromats” have very different qualia than normal
trichromats. I look forward to when you
can experience what it is like for us trichromats, just as I look forward to
experiencing what it is like for the rare tetrachromats. And I would bet there is a good chance that some
bats use my redness qualia to represent some of what their echolocation
detects. In other words, lots of
diversity possibilities within the same species, and lots of similarity possible
in different species.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br></span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 5:30 PM Mike Dougherty <<a href="mailto:msd001@gmail.com">msd001@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:41 AM Dylan Distasio <<a href="mailto:interzone@gmail.com" target="_blank">interzone@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I would assume mine is different from yours unless you're red/green colorblind also.</div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Tbh, everyone's is different even with the same diagnosis of colorblindness. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't think we need to have confirmed redness of red, milkness of milk, or 8ness of 8 - because the objects are perhaps irrelevant if we agree on the syntax for transformation. Ex: i think of 8 as two cubed and you think 4+4, do we have to make this distinction to do any of the operations on 8? (Let's ask someone who views 8 as half of sixteen)</div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"></div></div>
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