<div dir="ltr"><br><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi Rafal,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,112,192);background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">“Nothing we speak of is "just the
redness", because of the un-articulated, unspecified complexity hidden behind
every image and every word that pertains to the physical world.</span>”<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,112,192)"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Let’s try this.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">There is one of all possible pixels (smallest
spot you can clearly perceive) on the surface of a ripe red strawberry that is
changing between red and green. You can
focus on whichever spot is changing and you are clearly aware of it as it
changes from red to green.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Would you agree that there was something
physical, in your brain, which you are directly aware of that is this switching
knowledge? And would you agree that the
physics that was the “red” knowledge has a redness quality you can be directly
aware of, and when it changes to green, this different physics has a greenness quality
you are also directly aware of?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br></span></p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 7:42 PM Rafal Smigrodzki <<a href="mailto:rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 12:37 AM Brent Allsop <<a href="mailto:brent.allsop@gmail.com" target="_blank">brent.allsop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>Hi Rafal,</div><div>You seem to be talking about computationally bound composite qualia, in a way that seems almost blind to elemental qualia. Elemental qualia, like redness and grenness, can be computationally bound to all the composite qualia you are talking about. I'm talking about the elemental physical quality that can be physically isolated from the stuff you are talking about. Redness is something physical, out of which composite conscious experience like you talk about can be built. It's just the redness, nothing else.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div>### In pure mathematics you specify everything about the entities under consideration, thus an entity is "just" what is being considered. A triangle analyzed within an axiomatic system is "just" a triangle, nothing else.</div><div><br></div><div>Everything else we discuss or see that is not pure mathematics is embedded in a physical world that is beyond our understanding. Everything we talk about or subjectively experience is complicated and bound to mysteries, no matter how simple it may seem at first glance. As David Deutsch puts it, even the simplest everyday notions are "theory-laden". Nothing is "just" what we think about it. Nothing we speak of is "just the redness", because of the un-articulated, unspecified complexity hidden behind every image and every word that pertains to the physical world.</div></div></div>
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