<div dir="auto">You said something very interesting a few emaiils upthread. You referred to reason and anti-reason as the sides in this conflict, and expressed confusion at what you see as members if this list defecting from what you understood as our common chosen side: reason.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This distorted and misleading lens through which you view history, as a grand apocalyptic conflict between reason and anti-reason, gathering momentum as it echoes down the decades and centuries, culminating in the eventual triumph of reason over all else, that lens is confusing you.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What is happening in Hawaii is a battle over power. Reason has almost nothing to do with it. But it is inevitable that when the a power faction attempts, even sincerely, to recruit reason as a soldier in a power struggle, their opponents will ignore or attack it, as they would any other opposing soldier.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't know how to fix that, but I do know that for every political action there is a political reaction, and that if you attempt to inject virtues into your political fights, your opponents will feel forced to embrace vices.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This may yet be the epitaph of this country.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 11:43 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 12:55 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I think you are seriously in the dark about this group. All of us value science and if I am not mistaken no one supports the protesters. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Are we reading the same list?</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div></div></div>
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