<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Spike - can you tell me what's happening in your school? And we have always had an anti-intellectual bent. Natural thing - envy. Refusal to believe that someone is way better than you, despite tons of evidence. And it's also political - most of the undereducated people are conservatives and most educators are liberals. Natural antagonism. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Just think of all the toys/tools/gadgets/autos etc. we have that took scientific studies to develop, or just good engineering. I wonder if high schools teach about TV and radio and radar and all the rest in some class. If they did I'll bet the Ss would have a greater appreciation for what elite intelligences have given them. How many hours went into the development of the iPhone and its predecessors? Millions for sure. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 11:50 AM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">academic elites are grudgingly recognized.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u> spike</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">I am confused. Your post seems to suggest that academic achievement is somehow being suppressed. Explain please. bill w</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div>America has a strong anti-intellectual bent.</div><div><br></div><div>SR Ballard</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:21 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-8687671684312088134gmail-m_1082653721016513812gmail-m_9177602632224673068WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>SR Ballard via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Update on the Hawaiian observatory shutdown<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>>…<span style="color:black">But I don't want to see 'elite' become a dirty word.</span> <span style="color:black">bill w</span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…Unfortunately, it already is, and has been as long as I’ve been able to understand that type of nuance. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…Elite is used in mainly two contexts “the elite” which is an extremely loaded, negative statement, or a self-aggrandizing one, and “an elite ____”, where the blank is usually a martial reference, such as “fighting force”, “sniper”, “martial artist”. Only occasionally would it refer to other things in a matter-of-fact, non-judgemental way. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">There is an important subtlety at play: the term elite is often viewed with suspicion unless it refers to athletes. In the world of sports, the elite athletes are celebrated, paid outrageous sums of money, offered huge salaries for saying nice things about a product, etc. We love our celebrated athletes.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Elite scholars? Hmmm… a bit problematic. Should not all students be elite? (ehhh no.) Is it fair that some students are better than others? (Ja.) Why should we allow academic excellence and superior achievement? (Allow?)<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">My experience has been positive in turned academics into a sport. I am a volunteer coach for American Math Competition and Science Olympiad. We are trying to organize a Codeo team (programming competition.) For some odd reason, academic super-achievement is OK so long as it is an actual sport.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Granted of course: as team sports go, the academic sports carry the lowest status and the funding for it is carried by the parents. But, it is allowed to exist, and academic elites are grudgingly recognized.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I claim progress. I competed in American Math Competition when I was a senior in high school. Our newly-formed team won the county championship. We had a blast. But our school never acknowledged it, never (as far as I know) even knew that we had won that. Now, both AMC and Science Olympiad are at least recognized sports. When our team won a medal last year they mentioned our academic elites over the intercom. That’s progress.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Elite academics are nowhere near being offered sponsorships.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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