<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I believe Christine Korsgaard provides sound reasoning on why human are not the only beings who have value or who matter in her recent book, _Fellow Creatures: Our Obligations to the Other Animals_.<div><br></div><div>Again, who here mentioned banning anything? Calling something inappropriate or pointing out that many people now find some jokes not funny and even find such jokes horrid is not equivalent to calling for a ban on such jokes.<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div style="line-height: normal;"><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> Sample my Kindle books at:</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">http://author.to/DanUst</span></p></div></div></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 30, 2019, at 5:43 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:58 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">I'm not sure that banning rape jokes is moral progress at a time when</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">rape and sexual violence is the main theme in the massively popular</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Game of Thrones series</span><br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">The above is a non-sequitur. You can't ban anything like this, but if it were up to me, I'd do it in a split nanosecond, and I am usually a powerful opponent of censorship. Many women have been scarred emotionally for life even by attempted rape, much less the real thing. Not a topic for humor if you have any empathy for women. What's next? Abortion jokes? Syphilis jokes? Completely disgusting. ( No, I am not hung up about sex. I taught the course for several years.)</font></span></div><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### What's wrong with abortion jokes?</div><div><br></div><div>There was a time when if you asked me whether cruelly torturing dogs should be punished by incarceration I would have answered "Yes, of course", since I love doggies and the thought of intentionally torturing them makes me sick to my stomach. But on further reflection and goaded by my systematizing instincts, I changed my mind. Since only humans are a true repository of value, humans may not be grievously harmed if no human harm is at stake. So, if you wanted to run a dogfight ring in Mytopia no enforcer would break down your door. Of course, nice people might still choose to deny you any association with them, ban you from walking into their homes and businesses - but they wouldn't give themselves the right to infringe on your property, including furry and breathing property. </div><div><br></div><div>For a similar reason I would not ban any jokes, no matter how distasteful. Claimed "emotional scarring" is no basis for inflicting actual physical harms in revenge. Speech must be free. To say otherwise is hate speech, and hate speech must be stopped. There is a self-referential paradox here but I don't care. Speech must be free.</div><div><br></div><div>Rafal</div></div></div>
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