<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">On Dec 13, 2019, at 4:13 PM, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 3:37 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Less stigma would be great all around. In the trans community, too, there’s a problem because trans is often seen as a mental health issue because that’s how trans folks get access to treatments and assistance. This isn’t to say trans people never have mental health issues or that there might be misdiagnosis, but there is a problem with categorizing trans itself as pathological. (And the analogy with homosexuality is obvious: once it was categorized as pathology. We know where that went with persecuting gays and lesbians via coerced therapeutic interventions.)</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed. One might consider asking people who wish to institutionalize all transgender people, which of the following is more in need of psychiatric assistance - indeed, of confinement away from society?<br><br>"My body is not as I perceive myself to be, so I wish to alter my body to match my identity."</div><div><br></div><div>-or-</div><div><br></div><div>"People are saying the world isn't as I say it is, so i wish to coerce them with force until they stop disagreeing with me. Any evidence against my point of view is obviously incorrect, simply because it disagrees with my point of view. No one has the right to question me about this."</div></div></div></div></blockquote><br><div>It’s interesting that the historical pattern is to first make this moral issue, then a medical one, and then finally to just acknowledge people are diverse. Extropians and transhumanists should have no problem with the last position, IMO.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px;">Regards,</span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px;"><br></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px;">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px;"> Sample my Kindle books at:</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">http://author.to/DanUst</span></p></div></div></div></body></html>